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[Neonivek]

So far, there's scientific proof that our sexual tendencies are almost hardcoded in our genes

Last I checked the current status on Homosexuality on the side of the homosexuals is that they are born that way unless it is a choice. Though that was a few years ago when I stopped listening because of all the stupidity that was going on. (Basically that stance was used to trap opposition which was interesting in my mind)

I am sure now that the major brunt of the opposition has been fended off (though still a long way to go) that this tactic has been eliminated.

Case in point: A homosexual man was introduced into a harem of some of the most hot women you have ever not-seen. He couldn't even get an erection. No matter how hard those women tried.

Some Scientists have speculated that people actually are naturally sexually attracted to the same sex in a somewhat sexual manner, they tested this with m. Which makes sense to me since you would have to have some sort of baseline to judge what is attractive and what is not.

The test was repeated many times on various different homosexual males

Alright this is kinda where I am drawing the line of "What?" Then again the study that I was looking at measured brainwaves. This would be curious if all the guy had to do is enter wind tunnels.

Then again the "No matter how hard they tried" could explain things...

Though it doesn't prove anything for genetics and it sort of leaves itself open for errors.

Where I'm from, all the teens absolutely HATE gay people. Hate them enough to enact HORRIFIC violence upon them.

Same with anyone supporting gay people... Gay is pretty much an insult here

While gay is a childish insult here (by teens and children who really don't really understand what it means but realise it is undesirable) I think I am lucky to live in an area as tollerant as it is. (42% minority population may have something to do with it). We don't have any "Bashing" generally speaking (I am sure it happened) the last I am aware of was a Aboriginal boy being beaten to death. (Being raised to be proud of our Aboriginal population I really do have no idea why anyone dislikes them)

I can kinda understand hating someone for something they do but I really can't understand hating anyone for being something.

Though I am always surprised to find out some of the darker aspects of my neighbourhood. For example I never knew this but the district actually has some sections where the homeless congegate and as such prostitution is somewhat rampant here. It also is near major streets to go to the nicer areas. (It oddly has a park that If I remember correctly had the highest murder count of any other area... and it is right in the open)

Though on the plus side I was surprised to learn that the Soup Kitchen there actually served food I would personally eat unlike the steriotypes I've seen on television that may be true in other locations.

from other studies on genes and homosexuality, it's hardcoded in our genes

I don't really trust any of them as almost all of them seem to exist for a point to be proven which is a type of bias since scientists are not supposed to prove anything so to speak. The major part I have trouble with is that there is good evidence that it could essentially be both though I have yet to see a study that would dare attempt that.

Though I can understand why there is this struggle for Nature OR Nurture and why any mixed theory cannot exist. So I'll wait until this matter settles itself.

I am personally rooting for both but that is just who I am. I love science but I dislike sure things.

To admit though I am sad Human Husbandry (I forget its name.. Eugenics?) never got a legit study. I would love to see if certain migrations/races caused certain traits to be more common in one then in another as well as possibly the migration of genetic traits, afterall people talk about it all the time but it is entirely clouded in rumors. The problem is that the people who did this study were usually racist bigots who just looked for a way to put their race on top and usually Africa on the bottom or who simply took a historical approach. The counter study did however find this fact: There are more differences within one group (of people) then there are between two groups. Which is the scientific counter to racism.
-If there is a legit study Id be sorta interested... Though I kinda doubt there is.

Oddly I wonder where the non-gender related sexual types fit into this mix. Though for SOME of them it has more to do with qualities we project onto the subject then the actual qualities they possess. Uhhh the example I have is a bit too graphic. I guess a non-sexual based one would be people who often love animals A LOT tend to project human qualities into them sometimes thinking them as in a sense Forever Babies (Cats can really take the abuse). So I guess they are mostly unrelated. (Though once again I hit the "Too graphic even for this conversation mark)

they'd only make up around 0.03% of the population.. should be far less since being gay directly inhibits your chances of having kids

WOW that number is LOW much lower then those "Shock" tactic numbers I was given in highschool of 50-15%
-Interestingly the story behind the 50% is that they took that statistic from a prison and counted

Though I am probably one of the few people who believe that you can have sex with the same sex and not be homosexual. Mostly because people would say that would oppose the definition. I personally say "It is just sex".

I mean technically you can hormonally assault someone and apperantly make them have sex with just about anything. (The Gaybomb if it is more then just a rumor is basically just a pharamone bomb that overloads you.)

I really hope I am still above the offensive line.

[Cheeetar]

Muz, the reason there are more homosexuals now than would be indicated by natural selection could be that some homosexuals are in the closet/extremely repressed.

[Neonivek]

My girlfriend probably likes furries

Look for the last time... most people who like Furries do so on a non-fettish basis.

[Armok]

Homosexuality isn't against evolution: it dosn't make sense from the original theory of selection of individuals Darwin proposed, but whit modern concepts like selfish genes and group selection etc. there is several ways it can come about, for example one theory is that there need to be some couples that don't get children so they can spend their time and effort on what is best for the tribe at large instead.

Personally, I think it's probably factors of both nature and nurture in it: there is most likely a genetic mechanism that sets of and makes someone homosexual, but in which individuals this happens is probably mostly early nurture, or pure chance.
There are many examples of homosexuality in animals, and at comparable % of population.
I don't remember what the rates of homosexuality in human populations is, and it probably varies, but I'd be quite surprised if it was outside between 5% and 30%.

 - Hugs, your resident biology nut.

[Rilder]

Forcing homophobic priests perform a gay marriage is like a crime against the priests' rights. It's all fine if you can keep priests out of it.

Remember, Marriage isn't christian, christians should have no say in if two people can get married, and the state should get the fuck out of peoples personal lives and let them marry as they see fit. (except to children of course)

[Tormy]

Huh well....I don't really like gays to be honest [even tho, I don't really care about them], but I guess it's because I am a Hungarian. People just don't like gays here. I can safely say, that Hungarians are very intolerant  sadly... 

[Armok]

Evryone here that I know of is prety tolerant.

Personally I'm overly tolerant to a fault, I'm the kind that want to give apes equal rights and legalize paedophilia. Homophobia seems an alien and bizarre concept to me.

[Yanlin]

What most people forget, true homosexuals are rare. Most are bisexual to some degree.

THAT is the hardcoded part.

[JoshuaFH]

I can safely say I'm pretty tolerant. I've had multiple gay/bisexual friends in the past, and I never felt bothered by'em.

[Mr Tk]

Humans are not exclusive in homosexuality. There have been recorded cases of gay animals before, including a recent case where a couple of gay penguins raised a chick from an egg with no problems.

Also as to hardcoding, Scientists don't know what makes people homosexual. Genes, brain chemicals, brain neuron paths, nature, nurture, or what ever. They can't pin it down and say that any of these make you gay.

I don't have a problem with people who are gay, only those who some how think that being gay makes themselves special somehow. They get really pissed off when you simply don't care that they are gay.

[Neonivek]

including a recent case where a couple of gay penguins raised a chick from an egg with no problems

There was these "Gay Penguins" who apperantly went straight. I don't quite understand what happened at all.

Though don't the Male Penguins normally raise Chicks from an egg?

[Darkone]

The male and the female take turns IIRC.

As for me, I don't care as long as they don't make advances on me.

[Neonivek]

I don't care as long as they don't make advances on me

Yeah I wouldn't want to be sexualised by Penguins either.

[Rilder]

On gay animals, I once saw a Male goat giving it to another male goat.

[Neonivek]

On gay animals, I once saw a Male goat giving it to another male goat.

Some things are interesting products of captivity. Perhaps not in the sense of Homosexuality but some animals in the wild no matter how much two species mingle there are no hybrids/Mutts/crossbreeds but in captivity it seems like the animals get the idea that it works like Pleasure Island.