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LegoLord

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Re: Let us define intelligence
« Reply #45 on: August 21, 2009, 07:22:10 pm »

Their timed right? The time it takes me to complete the first question if I'd been focused I could have finished the whole thing.

The questions take, like, two seconds to answer and it's mostly coming to the logical conclusion of something.
Wrong!  Often you have to read through articles that are much longer than they need to be, and you can never know just by looking what parts are actually important enough to read.  There are too many of them.  And you can not say that it takes a few seconds to solve a complex and involved algebra equation.  I can do that, but not quickly mostly because I have ADHD and a cognitive processing speed disorder.  The last tiny contributing factor is just normal child/teenage lack of interest (which everyone has).
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Re: Let us define intelligence
« Reply #46 on: August 21, 2009, 07:58:43 pm »

Their timed right? The time it takes me to complete the first question if I'd been focused I could have finished the whole thing.

The questions take, like, two seconds to answer and it's mostly coming to the logical conclusion of something.
Wrong!  Often you have to read through articles that are much longer than they need to be, and you can never know just by looking what parts are actually important enough to read.  There are too many of them.  And you can not say that it takes a few seconds to solve a complex and involved algebra equation.  I can do that, but not quickly mostly because I have ADHD and a cognitive processing speed disorder.  The last tiny contributing factor is just normal child/teenage lack of interest (which everyone has).
Most of the IQ tests I've seen involve questions like:

All dogs run. Jane can run. Therefore:
a) Jane is a dog.
b) All dogs are named Jane.
c) Jane is a dog.
d) None.

What is the fifth vowel in this sentence?

Which of the following pairs do not belong?
a) Dog - Boe
b) Cat - Fish
c) Horse - Hay
d) Fish -Cow

What is the next number of this sequence? 1, 3, 6, 10, 15...

or they would involve pattern-solving skills like:
Finding the pattern that fits in a whited out part of a pattern.
Predicting the shape displayed by a 3d figure after it's been rotated.



IQ tests are supposed to be unbiased in terms of language, so it seems unlikely that an IQ test would involve large amounts of reading.

You might be thinking of aptitude tests like the SAT, which try to measure academic ability.
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Re: Let us define intelligence
« Reply #47 on: August 21, 2009, 08:00:25 pm »

Nope.  Definitely IQ tests.
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"Oh look there is a dragon my clothes might burn let me take them off and only wear steel plate."
And this is how tinned food was invented.
Alternately: The Brick Testament. It's a really fun look at what the bible would look like if interpreted literally. With Legos.
Just so I remember

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Re: Let us define intelligence
« Reply #48 on: August 21, 2009, 08:03:02 pm »

Those kinds of tests just check reasoning ability. For example, here's one question I remember from my college app a couple of years ago (paraphrased):

Children can never lie. Children say unicorns are real. Therefore:

a) Children are liars
b) Unicorns are real
c) Unicorns are not real

The answer being b), since the question does not define what unicorns, children, reailty, and lying are. They're just terms which form a logical conclusion.

I hated the application tests.
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Re: Let us define intelligence
« Reply #49 on: August 21, 2009, 09:14:04 pm »

I pick

d) The child is stupid.

Because whether or not they're lying, they could be telling the truth about a fantasy they viewed as real. If that is the case:

e) The child is on something and an intervention is called for.
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Re: Let us define intelligence
« Reply #50 on: August 21, 2009, 09:17:45 pm »

I actually tried pulling that one (wrote it in the margins of the booklet). Didn't get into that university.
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Re: Let us define intelligence
« Reply #51 on: August 21, 2009, 09:24:17 pm »

Dude, that Dean is totally bogus! You so need to toilet paper his house!

What was this topic about again? Oh yeah, intelligence.

Intelligence=/=Jackrabbit.
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Re: Let us define intelligence
« Reply #52 on: August 21, 2009, 09:27:09 pm »

It was UP - the University of the Philippines. One of the supposedly greatest unis in Southeast Asia.

Also has the highest concentration of pot users and sellers.
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Re: Let us define intelligence
« Reply #53 on: August 21, 2009, 09:32:28 pm »

Also has the highest concentration of pot users and sellers.
World or country?
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And this is how tinned food was invented.
Alternately: The Brick Testament. It's a really fun look at what the bible would look like if interpreted literally. With Legos.
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Re: Let us define intelligence
« Reply #54 on: August 21, 2009, 09:37:12 pm »

Of the universities in my country.

Of course not the world! :D
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Re: Let us define intelligence
« Reply #55 on: August 21, 2009, 11:36:41 pm »

Question: All IQ tests are on the internet. The internet is made up.

Answer: Lol wut
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Re: Let us define intelligence
« Reply #56 on: August 22, 2009, 02:15:39 am »

The principle is actually quite sound.

The question is not asking you to draw from experience, but instead define how well you can interact with only the given factors regardless of irrelevant assumptions concerning the validity of the question itself. And by encouraging you to strip away the pre-assumption that fog the thinking process, it allows you to come at any problem in the best possible frame of mind. Think of it like the trick answer to a riddle.
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Re: Let us define intelligence
« Reply #57 on: August 22, 2009, 02:52:22 pm »



wisdome is imagining the future based on the past and present, and preparing for it. And in the future, using that knowledge.

old people have had far more time to know about, and do this. old folks therfore take the cake on wisdom.

Intelligence knowing about the past, and telling people about it in a modern way.

This is the turning point for adults, they start to become old people here if they upgrade intelligence into wisdom. Of course, its all moot if alzheimers sets in.

smart is knowing about the recent past and present, and then using it in a modern way.

Anybody can be smart, but its the young people you expect it from.
Smart mouth at least.
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« Reply #58 on: August 22, 2009, 02:53:35 pm »

If people know the diffrence between intelligence, smarts, and wisdom, then they obviously have some diffrence. It just requires a few examples and the right perspective.
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Re: Let us define intelligence
« Reply #59 on: August 22, 2009, 03:18:40 pm »

Knowledge is the information one gains
Intelligence is the capacity to retain that information
Wisdom is the application of that information.

BAM!
Defined.
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