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[Anticipation]

So I found the combat in adventure mode rather confusing. I don't particuarly care about adventur mode but I think it would be interesting to know how exacly combat works for DF mode. Things like counterattacks and grips.

[Timst]

That's planned. You just had to read the Dev log or the List of remaining items (on this very subforum), Toady talked a lot about it lately.

[XSI]

I think it is actually the same system for combat in adventure mode and dwarf mode, but I'm not sure.

[Timst]

Yep, there's just a lot more detail displayed to the player in adventure mode, but dwarves are actually fighting goblins the way you would if you were an adventurer.
There's also the fact that adventurer mode is turn by turn, whereas fortress mode is real time.

[cerapa]

Fortress mode is just as real time as adventure mode.

The turns just go faster.

[Neruz]

Yep, there's just a lot more detail displayed to the player in adventure mode, but dwarves are actually fighting goblins the way you would if you were an adventurer.
There's also the fact that adventurer mode is turn by turn, whereas fortress mode is real time.

Actually it's not, Fortress Mode runs turn by turn same as adventurer mode, it's just it runs alot faster (each frame is a turn, often you'll get 30 - 100 frames per second)

[Exponent]

I may be walking into and exacerbating a debate over semantics, not generally a wise thing, but technically, many "real-time" games are "turn-based" in their implementation.

What typically separates real-time games from turn-based ones (from my perspective at least) is whether or not the game waits for player confirmation before proceeding to the next turn.  Which would mean that adventure mode is turn-based, and fortress mode is real-time.  This, to me, is the most important distinction to make for the vast majority of players.

Developers, of course, would consider the technical details to be important as well, but not exclusively (except for the developers who work purely on the technical details and do not deal with game design at all).

[Baughn]

By this definition of "turn-based", pretty much all real-time games are turn-based.

I honestly don't know a single one that isn't implemented as a discrete time automaton.

[IndonesiaWarMinister]

By this definition of "turn-based", pretty much all real-time games are turn-based.

I honestly don't know a single one that isn't implemented as a discrete time automaton.

That's computer games for you.
But yeah, an example of pure real-time games are the board games.
IF you want to stay ahead of the GM, you can do so. <-Confusing wording? Sorry guys...

[Neruz]

By this definition of "turn-based", pretty much all real-time games are turn-based.

I honestly don't know a single one that isn't implemented as a discrete time automaton.

Depends; RTS games function in discrete time intervals, but generally those discrete intervals can't be 'chopped up' into turns without causing the program to stop working. In Fortress Mode though the turn functionality is identical to adventure mode, except the turns run automatically.

[Bricks]

By this definition of "turn-based", pretty much all real-time games are turn-based.

I honestly don't know a single one that isn't implemented as a discrete time automaton.

That's computer games for you.
But yeah, an example of pure real-time games are the board games.
IF you want to stay ahead of the GM, you can do so. <-Confusing wording? Sorry guys...

A real-time board game?  If only I knew I could draw new cards in Candyland without waiting for my turn...

I'm more interested in imaginary-time games.

[Sordid]

By this definition of "turn-based", pretty much all real-time games are turn-based.

I honestly don't know a single one that isn't implemented as a discrete time automaton.

That's computer games for you.

That's computers for you. Computers are digital, they are literally incapable of anything continuous. Any appearance of real time or smooth animation is purely the illusion of a lot of frames going by really fast.
So is the universe, btw, if those insane physicists are to be believed.

[Rowanas]

Well, first try to define any single moment of time as a single time slot. it's impossible to do exactly because we take more than one time slot to think "that was a time slot". We understand the universe as a fluid thing, but all things must happen at one time, like the instant a photograph takes a picture (still not perfectly instantaneous, but I don't think we can do better right now). All is fluid and yet static, flowing but still.

P.S. Lose 1d20 San if you actually understand any of this...

[Baughn]

Ha. All you need are better cameras.

There's also the planck time unit, which may or may not be a measure of the actual resolution of time.. it's the best candidate, if time is discrete.

[rdwulfe]

A real-time board game?  If only I knew I could draw new cards in Candyland without waiting for my turn...

I'm more interested in imaginary-time games.

Heh, ever played the card game Munchkin?? Avid DFers ought to enjoy the humor in it. Come to think of it, a DF-esque Munchkin set would rule, and confuse the hell out of non DF-ers. (Carp? Why is Carp the most powerful water-monster? WTF?)

But yeah, considering how... unique the rules are in Munchkin, I'd say if you can get everyone to look away from the play area at once, you can pretty much draw as many cards as you want, whenever you want.

Of course, the other players may beat you for it.

   Wulfe