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[Mephansteras]

Actually, they are slightly different because of how affinities work and the timing of everything.

It does like this:

Defense and Attack work at the same time. Base damage is Attack - Defense.

Then, the total damage is calculated based on the Attack Element vs the Wizard's Affinity. If it is the same, it is halved and if it is opposing it is doubled.

Only after that is calculated does healing come into play. So, depending on the situation healing can be more or less useful then a defense boost.

[Jim Groovester]

Ah, I see.

So, healing reduces the final damage. That way, I see it as being more powerful than a defense boost. If enough wizards get behind a deulist and all decide to heal him, he might be very difficult to defeat, depending on how well or poorly the opposing wizard chooses his element. Of course, the healing wizards have to choose their element well, too, or it will work very poorly.

Well, I'll guess we'll see what happens. This should be an interesting game.

[Mephansteras]

Depends a lot on the Attack roles. In some cases, a defense boost is way better. Especially when the attacker is using the opposite Element to attack. In those cases, the extra healing doesn't help nearly as much as not getting hurt in the first place, since elemental affinity for attacks comes into play after the Attack/Defense check is done. If you took no damage during the attack, the fact that it would have been doubled doesn't matter. But if you let it through, the extra healing may not be enough.

But that's just what I've seen during my tests. We'll have to see how it all works out in an actual game with people actually making decisions about what to do (instead of my randomly generated actions).

[Kashyyk]

I'm offended that you didn't choose me as a random character!

[Mephansteras]

Well, you get to be an actual player, isn't that enough?

...

No, huh?

Ok, here is one with all the Players signed up so far:

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ExKirby:
    Alignment: Cabal
    Role: Archmage
    Affinity: Air
    Status Alive
    Action: Speed Boost
    Assist: Jim Groovester
    Element: Air

Frelock:
    Alignment: Tower
    Role: Warrior Mage
    Affinity: Fire
    Status Alive
    Action: Defense Boost
    Assist: webadict
    Element: Earth

JanusTwoface:
    Alignment: Tower
    Role: Wizard
    Affinity: Air
    Status Alive
    Action: Defense Boost
    Assist: webadict
    Element: Earth

Jim Groovester:
    Alignment: Cabal
    Role: Nullifier
    Affinity: Fire
    Status Alive
    Action: Duelist
    Element: Earth

Kashyyk:
    Alignment: Tower
    Role: Subtle Wizard
    Affinity: Water
    Status Alive
    Action: Speed Boost
    Assist: webadict
    Element: Earth

Leafsnail:
    Alignment: Cabal
    Role: Battle Mage
    Affinity: Fire
    Status Alive
    Action: Healing
    Assist: Jim Groovester
    Element: Fire

Mr.Person:
    Alignment: Tower
    Role: Enchanter
    Affinity: Earth
    Status Alive
    Action: Defense Boost
    Assist: webadict
    Element: Water

Org:
    Alignment: Tower
    Role: Warrior Mage
    Affinity: Air
    Status Alive
    Action: Healing
    Assist: webadict
    Element: Fire

Pandarsenic:
    Alignment: Tower
    Role: War Mage
    Affinity: Fire
    Status Alive
    Action: Speed Boost
    Assist: Jim Groovester
    Element: Water

SniHjen:
    Alignment: Tower
    Role: Seer
    Affinity: Water
    Status Alive
    Action: Attack Boost
    Assist: Jim Groovester
    Element: Air

webadict:
    Alignment: Tower
    Role: Warrior Mage
    Affinity: Fire
    Status Alive
    Action: Duelist
    Element: Air

Duelist 0:
    Name: Jim Groovester -  Cabal Nullifier
    Attack: 12
    Defense: 12
    Health: 12
    Speed: 12
    Affinity: Fire
    Using: Earth

Duelist 1:
    Name: webadict -  Tower Warrior Mage
    Attack: 10
    Defense: 10
    Health: 15
    Speed: 10
    Affinity: Fire
    Using: Air


------------------------------
Duelist Jim Groovester Cabal Nullifier
    Attack: 13
    Defense: 12
    Health: 12
    Speed: 14
    Affinity: Fire
    Using: Earth
    Healing: 2

Duelist webadict Tower Warrior Mage
    Attack: 10
    Defense: 14
    Health: 15
    Speed: 11
    Affinity: Fire
    Using: Air
    Healing: 2

## Jim Groovester: 12  webadict: 15 ##
Jim Groovester wins the initiative, and attacks! (21 vs 13)
    Attack Roll: 4   Defense Roll: 1
    He blows away his opponent's defenses! ( Attack: 17 vs Defense: 15 )
      Base Damage: 2  -- Earth vs Fire
      Damage: 2  Healing: 2
    ...but webadict's healing magics protect him from harm
webadict counter-attacks!
    Attack Roll: -2   Defense Roll: -7
    He blows away his opponent's defenses! ( Attack: 8 vs Defense: 5 )
      Base Damage: 3  -- Air vs Fire
      Damage: 3  Healing: 2
    ...and Jim Groovester suffers 1 points of damage
## Jim Groovester: 11  webadict: 15 ##
Jim Groovester wins the initiative, and attacks! (22 vs 16)
    Attack Roll: -6   Defense Roll: 3
    He hammers on his opponents defenses, but to no avail! ( Attack: 7 vs Defense: 17 )
webadict counter-attacks!
    Attack Roll: 5   Defense Roll: 3
    He hammers on his opponents defenses, but to no avail! ( Attack: 15 vs Defense: 15 )
## Jim Groovester: 11  webadict: 15 ##
Jim Groovester wins the initiative, and attacks! (12 vs 9)
    Attack Roll: -8   Defense Roll: 4
    He hammers on his opponents defenses, but to no avail! ( Attack: 5 vs Defense: 18 )
webadict counter-attacks!
    Attack Roll: 9   Defense Roll: 2
    He blows away his opponent's defenses! ( Attack: 19 vs Defense: 14 )
      Base Damage: 5  -- Air vs Fire
      Damage: 5  Healing: 2
    ...and Jim Groovester suffers 3 points of damage
## Jim Groovester: 8  webadict: 15 ##
Jim Groovester wins the initiative, and attacks! (17 vs 10)
    Attack Roll: -8   Defense Roll: 2
    He hammers on his opponents defenses, but to no avail! ( Attack: 5 vs Defense: 16 )
webadict counter-attacks!
    Attack Roll: 0   Defense Roll: -4
    He blows away his opponent's defenses! ( Attack: 10 vs Defense: 8 )
      Base Damage: 2  -- Air vs Fire
      Damage: 2  Healing: 2
    ...but Jim Groovester's healing magics protect him from harm
## Jim Groovester: 8  webadict: 15 ##
webadict wins the initiative, and attacks! (14 vs 7)
    Attack Roll: 5   Defense Roll: -1
    He blows away his opponent's defenses! ( Attack: 15 vs Defense: 11 )
      Base Damage: 4  -- Air vs Fire
      Damage: 4  Healing: 2
    ...and Jim Groovester suffers 2 points of damage
Jim Groovester counter-attacks!
    Attack Roll: -1   Defense Roll: 0
    He hammers on his opponents defenses, but to no avail! ( Attack: 12 vs Defense: 14 )
## Jim Groovester: 6  webadict: 15 ##
Jim Groovester wins the initiative, and attacks! (19 vs 5)
    Attack Roll: -2   Defense Roll: 4
    He hammers on his opponents defenses, but to no avail! ( Attack: 11 vs Defense: 18 )
webadict counter-attacks!
    Attack Roll: 4   Defense Roll: 9
    He hammers on his opponents defenses, but to no avail! ( Attack: 14 vs Defense: 21 )
## Jim Groovester: 6  webadict: 15 ##
Jim Groovester wins the initiative, and attacks! (22 vs 15)
    Attack Roll: 2   Defense Roll: 5
    He hammers on his opponents defenses, but to no avail! ( Attack: 15 vs Defense: 19 )
webadict counter-attacks!
    Attack Roll: 6   Defense Roll: 1
    He blows away his opponent's defenses! ( Attack: 16 vs Defense: 13 )
      Base Damage: 3  -- Air vs Fire
      Damage: 3  Healing: 2
    ...and Jim Groovester suffers 1 points of damage
## Jim Groovester: 5  webadict: 15 ##
Jim Groovester wins the initiative, and attacks! (8 vs 4)
    Attack Roll: 2   Defense Roll: -3
    He blows away his opponent's defenses! ( Attack: 15 vs Defense: 11 )
      Base Damage: 4  -- Earth vs Fire
      Damage: 4  Healing: 2
    ...and webadict suffers 2 points of damage
webadict counter-attacks!
    Attack Roll: -6   Defense Roll: 0
    He hammers on his opponents defenses, but to no avail! ( Attack: 4 vs Defense: 12 )
## Jim Groovester: 5  webadict: 13 ##
Jim Groovester wins the initiative, and attacks! (15 vs 11)
    Attack Roll: 3   Defense Roll: -2
    He blows away his opponent's defenses! ( Attack: 16 vs Defense: 12 )
      Base Damage: 4  -- Earth vs Fire
      Damage: 4  Healing: 2
    ...and webadict suffers 2 points of damage
webadict counter-attacks!
    Attack Roll: 2   Defense Roll: 5
    He hammers on his opponents defenses, but to no avail! ( Attack: 12 vs Defense: 17 )
## Jim Groovester: 5  webadict: 11 ##
Jim Groovester wins the initiative, and attacks! (15 vs 13)
    Attack Roll: -4   Defense Roll: 3
    He hammers on his opponents defenses, but to no avail! ( Attack: 9 vs Defense: 17 )
webadict counter-attacks!
    Attack Roll: -2   Defense Roll: -1
    He hammers on his opponents defenses, but to no avail! ( Attack: 8 vs Defense: 11 )
## Jim Groovester: 5  webadict: 11 ##
webadict wins the initiative, and attacks! (14 vs 5)
    Attack Roll: 9   Defense Roll: 3
    He blows away his opponent's defenses! ( Attack: 19 vs Defense: 15 )
      Base Damage: 4  -- Air vs Fire
      Damage: 4  Healing: 2
    ...and Jim Groovester suffers 2 points of damage
Jim Groovester counter-attacks!
    Attack Roll: -2   Defense Roll: -7
    He blows away his opponent's defenses! ( Attack: 11 vs Defense: 7 )
      Base Damage: 4  -- Earth vs Fire
      Damage: 4  Healing: 2
    ...and webadict suffers 2 points of damage
## Jim Groovester: 3  webadict: 9 ##
webadict wins the initiative, and attacks! (16 vs 10)
    Attack Roll: -3   Defense Roll: -6
    He blows away his opponent's defenses! ( Attack: 7 vs Defense: 6 )
      Base Damage: 1  -- Air vs Fire
      Damage: 1  Healing: 2
    ...but Jim Groovester's healing magics protect him from harm
Jim Groovester counter-attacks!
    Attack Roll: 5   Defense Roll: 4
    He hammers on his opponents defenses, but to no avail! ( Attack: 18 vs Defense: 18 )
## Jim Groovester: 3  webadict: 9 ##
Jim Groovester wins the initiative, and attacks! (21 vs 10)
    Attack Roll: 0   Defense Roll: -1
    He hammers on his opponents defenses, but to no avail! ( Attack: 13 vs Defense: 13 )
webadict counter-attacks!
    Attack Roll: -8   Defense Roll: 7
    He hammers on his opponents defenses, but to no avail! ( Attack: 2 vs Defense: 19 )
## Jim Groovester: 3  webadict: 9 ##
Jim Groovester wins the initiative, and attacks! (20 vs 7)
    Attack Roll: 2   Defense Roll: 0
    He blows away his opponent's defenses! ( Attack: 15 vs Defense: 14 )
      Base Damage: 1  -- Earth vs Fire
      Damage: 1  Healing: 2
    ...but webadict's healing magics protect him from harm
webadict counter-attacks!
    Attack Roll: -4   Defense Roll: -1
    He hammers on his opponents defenses, but to no avail! ( Attack: 6 vs Defense: 11 )
## Jim Groovester: 3  webadict: 9 ##
webadict wins the initiative, and attacks! (13 vs 9)
    Attack Roll: 2   Defense Roll: 0
    He hammers on his opponents defenses, but to no avail! ( Attack: 12 vs Defense: 12 )
Jim Groovester counter-attacks!
    Attack Roll: -5   Defense Roll: 6
    He hammers on his opponents defenses, but to no avail! ( Attack: 8 vs Defense: 20 )
## Jim Groovester: 3  webadict: 9 ##
Jim Groovester wins the initiative, and attacks! (11 vs 11)
    Attack Roll: 4   Defense Roll: 1
    He blows away his opponent's defenses! ( Attack: 17 vs Defense: 15 )
      Base Damage: 2  -- Earth vs Fire
      Damage: 2  Healing: 2
    ...but webadict's healing magics protect him from harm
webadict counter-attacks!
    Attack Roll: 1   Defense Roll: -8
    He blows away his opponent's defenses! ( Attack: 11 vs Defense: 4 )
      Base Damage: 7  -- Air vs Fire
      Damage: 7  Healing: 2
    ...and Jim Groovester suffers 5 points of damage
** And Jim Groovester is defeated! ***

[Leafsnail]

Oh noez!  We got defeated!

Would you mind posting a sample flavour text for what that battle would look like?  After all, posting the battle log would immediately out the person starting with 12 HP as scum.

[Mephansteras]

Oh, yeah, you guys wouldn't actually be shown the combat log in a real game. This is just so people can see how my script does things (and how your decisions would effect the overall result).

So here is a sample of what the write-up would look like:


Shielded by the mystic runes of the other mages, the two Duelists step into the Arena.

Jim Groovester holds up his hands and draws runes in the air. At his every gesture large chunks of stone and earth rise up from the ground and float about him.

Webadict spins in a circle, blue lines of power arcing from his hands as a great whirlwind forms around him.

With a tremendous cracking of earth, Jim Groovester starts off the battle by hurling a large chunk of the flooring at Webadict. Blue runes sparkle in the air in front of the defender as he steps to the side, flagstones shattering around him. He is forced back a few steps, but seems unharmed.

In retaliation he hurls a great gust of wind at Jim, knocking him over and sending him tumbling across the floor. He rolls to his feet and rubs his shoulder a bit. Then, with a flick of his hand a shower of pebbles rains down on Webadict.

The blue runes crackle and hiss as they deflect the rain of stones, and Webadict prepares his own assault. He slashes with his hand, and an arc of wind rushes towards Jim, whose own Orange runes flare up around him. The wind is deflected upwards to disperse in the rafters.

Orange power sparking form his hands, Jim grasps one of the flagstones. It flakes under his hands and then spins forward, a sharp jagged blade aimed straight for Webadict's head! Webadict ducks hurriedly out of the way, the spinning blade of stone knocking the cap from his head...


And it would go on from there. For an actual game I may or may not transpose the entire battle, depending on how much time I have and how interesting the fight looks. But I'll try to keep things interesting and flavorful.

You'll notice that while I state which Element each mage attacks with (they pick at the beginning of the fight), I do not state the Affinity that they are defending with. That you have to determine for yourselves based on how well each mage does and how much the various assists seem to effect them.

[Jim Groovester]

I see in the combat log that Frelock, Org, and webadict are all Warrior Mages. So, it's a possibility then that there can be more than one person with the same role, I'm guessing?

[Mephansteras]

Correct. You can have multiples of most roles on both sides.

[Jim Groovester]

What roles would there be only one of, then?

Grey Mage would be my first guess. Are there more?

Sorry if I'm asking a lot of questions. There are a lot of implicit rules and other methods of operation for these mafia games that I'm not familiar with.

[Mephansteras]

Here is my current matrix:

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name	type	faction	max	weight	psychic	goal	requires	restricted	varients	varientof	attack	defense	health	speed
Wizard	role	Tower	100	0	0	survive					10	10	10	10
War Mage	role	Tower	3	1	0	survive					12	10	10	10
Battle Mage	role	Tower	3	1	0	survive					10	12	10	10
Warrior Mage	role	Tower	3	1	0	survive					10	10	15	10
Time Mage	role	Tower	3	1	0	survive					10	10	10	12
Healer	role	Tower	1	2	0	protect					10	10	10	10
Subtle Wizard	role	Tower	1	2	0	survive					10	10	10	10
Archmage	role	Tower	1	3	0	survive					15	15	15	15
Nullifier	role	Tower	1	2	0	protect					10	10	10	10
Enchanter	role	Tower	1	2	0	protect					10	10	10	10
Guardian	role	Tower	1	2	0	protect					10	10	10	10
Oracle	role	Tower	1	2	0	find					10	10	10	10
Justicar	role	Tower	1	2	0	find					10	10	10	10
Grey Mage	role	Tower	1	2	0	kill					10	10	10	10
Seer	role	Tower	1	1	0	find					10	10	10	10
Dark Wizard	role	Cabal	100	-1	0	kill					12	12	12	12
War Mage	role	Cabal	3	-2	0	kill					14	12	12	12
Battle Mage	role	Cabal	3	-2	0	kill					12	14	12	12
Warrior Mage	role	Cabal	3	-2	0	kill					12	12	17	12
Time Mage	role	Cabal	3	-2	0	kill					12	12	12	14
Healer	role	Cabal	1	-3	0	protect					12	12	12	12
Subtle Wizard	role	Cabal	1	-3	0	kill					12	12	12	12
Archmage	role	Cabal	1	-4	0	kill					17	17	17	17
Nullifier	role	Cabal	1	-3	0	protect					12	12	12	12
Enchanter	role	Cabal	1	-3	0	protect					12	12	12	12
Guardian	role	Cabal	1	-3	0	protect					12	12	12	12
Oracle	role	Cabal	1	-3	0	find					12	12	12	12
Seer	role	Cabal	1	-2	0	find					12	12	12	12

It uses the same format as the Paranormal matrix, plus a few columns, so a bunch of it isn't used right now (Like psychic). But that has most of the basic information in it.

[webadict]

I beat the crap out of Cabal Mages.

[Kashyyk]

With my help.

Also, YAY for being in a test.

[ExKirby]

Can we have a look at this "Program" you use?

[Leafsnail]

As far as I can tell, it's the same program that's used for paranormal with the Wizard Duals roles put in instead.  Most of the terms input are fairly self explanatory, but the "weight" is designed to balance the power of the town and the scum team (so you don't get, for instance, a scum team of 3 archmages and no town power roles).