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Re: [ლ(ಠ益ಠ)ლ] WHY ARE WE YELLING? (Happy thread...?)
« Reply #119580 on: January 21, 2014, 03:33:28 am »

The idea of being out of this place for a couple days travelling and seeing folk has stomped on my depression's head pretty well. Yay. I think spring's dawn is helping for that too.

I still don't understand apostrophes unfortunately.
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Re: [ლ(ಠ益ಠ)ლ] WHY ARE WE YELLING? (Happy thread...?)
« Reply #119581 on: January 21, 2014, 03:48:30 am »

The idea of being out of this place for a couple days travelling and seeing folk has stomped on my depression's head pretty well. Yay. I think spring's dawn is helping for that too.

I still don't understand apostrophes unfortunately.
The "'" Is by far one of the most useful punctuations available, so understanding it is important. The apostrophe is used in two ways: To indicate possession, and to indicate a contraction, with rare exception I will note. Firstly, possession: it is used in words such as "misko's" and "cat's", to indicate that the object belongs to the word used i.e. "that is Caz's book", means that is the book belonging to Caz. Secondly, the apostrophe is used to indicate a contraction, where words are combined to shorten. "Let us", for example, would be contracted as "let's", with the apostrophe being used. Other examples: "He will"="He'll", "should not"="Shouldn't" and "I would"="I'd". "Its", which can be either a contraction of "It is" or a possessive of "it", has an apostrophe only when it is a contraction; reason being "its" is a pronoun - similar to "hers" and "theirs" - and pronouns do not require an apostrophe, as they are possessive by nature.
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Re: [ლ(ಠ益ಠ)ლ] WHY ARE WE YELLING? (Happy thread...?)
« Reply #119582 on: January 21, 2014, 03:54:48 am »

It's the case that if a word ends with an s you don't put another s to indicate possession (Like "James' book") isn't it?
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Re: [ლ(ಠ益ಠ)ლ] WHY ARE WE YELLING? (Happy thread...?)
« Reply #119583 on: January 21, 2014, 03:57:51 am »

With my limited knowledge of English I believe that is traditionally the case, although it seems the apostrophe of possession is less and less seen there days. It just isn't on peoples mind.


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EDIT: Wait, is it "James' Book" or "Jame's book"... 99.99% sure it is the first.

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« Reply #119584 on: January 21, 2014, 04:03:42 am »

The "'" Is by far one of the most useful punctuations available, so understanding it is important. The apostrophe is used in two ways: To indicate possession, and to indicate a contraction, with rare exception I will note. Firstly, possession: it is used in words such as "misko's" and "cat's", to indicate that the object belongs to the word used i.e. "that is Caz's book", means that is the book belonging to Caz. Secondly, the apostrophe is used to indicate a contraction, where words are combined to shorten. "Let us", for example, would be contracted as "let's", with the apostrophe being used. Other examples: "He will"="He'll", "should not"="Shouldn't" and "I would"="I'd". "Its", which can be either a contraction of "It is" or a possessive of "it", has an apostrophe only when it is a contraction; reason being "its" is a pronoun - similar to "hers" and "theirs" - and pronouns do not require an apostrophe, as they are possessive by nature.

I thought this, but then people say "possessive apostrophes are wrong! die sinner!" and I get confused all over again ._.
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« Reply #119585 on: January 21, 2014, 04:03:55 am »

I remember an Internet Oracle response that s'tated that if you s'hould put an apostrophe before an s at the end of a word, you s'hould  put one at after the beginning s a's well.
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Re: [ლ(ಠ益ಠ)ლ] WHY ARE WE YELLING? (Happy thread...?)
« Reply #119586 on: January 21, 2014, 04:04:46 am »

EDIT: Wait, is it "James' Book" or "Jame's book"... 99.99% sure it is the first.

James's's'sses's
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« Reply #119587 on: January 21, 2014, 04:07:31 am »

I remember an Internet Oracle response that s'tated that if you s'hould put an apostrophe before an s at the end of a word, you s'hould  put one at after the beginning s a's well.
I swear by the old gods and the new that is literally the most annoying, rage inducing typing quirk I have ever seen, and I've read Homestuck... Never EVER do that again!

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Re: [ლ(ಠ益ಠ)ლ] WHY ARE WE YELLING? (Happy thread...?)
« Reply #119588 on: January 21, 2014, 04:11:37 am »

Need links for that thanks. :P

...Was that in the context of 'personal accents done textualized?'
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Re: [ლ(ಠ益ಠ)ლ] WHY ARE WE YELLING? (Happy thread...?)
« Reply #119589 on: January 21, 2014, 04:26:01 am »

EDIT: Wait, is it "James' Book" or "Jame's book"... 99.99% sure it is the first.

James's's'sses's
James's. Say it out aloud.
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Re: [ლ(ಠ益ಠ)ლ] WHY ARE WE YELLING? (Happy thread...?)
« Reply #119590 on: January 21, 2014, 04:30:12 am »

If, when using a possessive tense, the trailing s is dropped. If James owns a book, it is James' book.
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« Reply #119591 on: January 21, 2014, 04:36:42 am »

I will say that I would still speak it like it's "James's", just in writing it's "James' "


And now James doesn't look like a word. Dammit.
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Re: [ლ(ಠ益ಠ)ლ] WHY ARE WE YELLING? (Happy thread...?)
« Reply #119592 on: January 21, 2014, 04:44:34 am »

If, when using a possessive tense, the trailing s is dropped. If James owns a book, it is James' book.
The grammar here is off; That first sentence doesn't make sense. You say, "If, when using a possessive tense, the trailing s is dropped", and then you stop there, leaving a dependent clause high and dry. You aren't saying what happens when you are using a possessive tense and the s is dropped. Such suspense.

Perhaps you intended to remove the "If, "? You could also imagine the If was intended to accompany something like "that is the case".
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Re: [ლ(ಠ益ಠ)ლ] WHY ARE WE YELLING? (Happy thread...?)
« Reply #119593 on: January 21, 2014, 07:26:22 am »

Now that I'm aware of what misko said, MZ's bad grammar is nigh unparsable. Previously I read it as intended just fine.

Guess my brain has the innate ability to filter out bad grammar these days.
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« Reply #119594 on: January 21, 2014, 07:28:57 am »

My understanding is that both "James' book" and "James's book" are both perfectly fine to use. It's a matter of your personal views on the matter, y'know?
'cuz the English language ain't the kind of language that don't need no consistency. :I

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