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Leafsnail

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Re: Conservative Crime Squad
« Reply #30 on: September 30, 2009, 10:02:55 am »

Hmm... let's try the conservative taxation laws.

Elite Liberal (note: Maybe the terms "Elite Liberal" and "Arch Conservative" should be changed, as "Elite" implies good while "Arch" implies bad.  Can't think of any terms right now): Honest and hardworking businessmen are bled dry by the ruthless taxmen
Liberal: Hard work is actively penalized by crippling taxes.
Moderate: The poor receive huge tax breaks while the rich struggle with their huge tax burdens.
Conservative: Men earn what they deserve, but a large portion of the hardworking man's (No need for gender neutral pronouns now, we're conservative!) salary is still given to the state.
Arch conservative: Everyone earns what they are entitled to.

You get the idea.
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Re: Conservative Crime Squad
« Reply #31 on: September 30, 2009, 11:19:21 am »

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Others would change -- the CCS would now be in favor of free speech.

Thinking about that, would the LCS fight for "politcal correct" speech (like how the CCS fights against "hate speech" in the LCS game)? So, in a Commie-Liberal/Liberal-Elite/whatever Utopia, "politically incorrect words" can get censored. The word "terrorist attack" gets replaced by [Political Activism], for instance.

Leafsnail: The term "Elite Liberal" is really just "Liberal Elite" flipped around. And Liberal Elite is a insult.
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Re: Conservative Crime Squad
« Reply #32 on: September 30, 2009, 11:52:15 am »

I really don't think the average conservative believes in murdering civilians, have you got any examples  :-\?

My Lai?

Now there's the making of a great game.
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E. Albright

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Re: Conservative Crime Squad
« Reply #33 on: September 30, 2009, 11:55:14 am »

Leafsnail: I think that scale is (impressively) skewed both too far to the right and too far to the left. L+ isn't commie redistributionist enough, and M and C are too commie redistributionist.

Remember, try to set M as *roughly* what we have now. I'd slide C up to M.

Now, I may not be the best person to try to lay something like this out (I'm L++ or maybe L# ;)), but if I took a stab at laying one out, it'd be roughly along these lines (although it probably could use to be a bit "spicier"):

L+: Everyone earns the same salary whether they work or not.
L: Crippling progressive taxation on all forms of income and massive subsidies to the poor and unemployed discourage hard work and innovation.
M: The income tax scale is moderately* progressive, and limited benefits exist for low-income earners and the unemployed.
C: A flat income tax on wages only is in effect, and workers who lose their jobs only receive help looking for a new one.
C+: Personal income is not taxed, and the government is funded a modest national sales tax.

One nice thing about this is, as noted, difficulty scaling. Early on your members would be on the dole, but as you pushed taxes towards C+, that income would vanish (or if you pushed privacy laws towards the red first, it might become dangerous to collect it...)

(*If you disagree that the US has merely a moderately progressive income tax, I suggest you have a look at top-bracket marginal rates over the last century. 35% ain't nothin'.)

Thinking about that, would the LCS fight for "politcal correct" speech (like how the CCS fights against "hate speech" in the LCS game)? So, in a Commie-Liberal/Liberal-Elite/whatever Utopia, "politically incorrect words" can get censored. The word "terrorist attack" gets replaced by [Political Activism], for instance.

I'd say yes. Any religious reference should also be obscured/made "general", and if one was really ambitious one could add gender-neutral pronouns.
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Re: Conservative Crime Squad
« Reply #34 on: September 30, 2009, 12:17:01 pm »

Censorship is odd on both sides.

Though I didn't think Conservatives were into super Political correctness... I thought that was some sort of weird offshoot of crazy
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Re: Conservative Crime Squad
« Reply #35 on: September 30, 2009, 12:37:15 pm »

liberalism is idealistic, conservatism is not. Thats why I think the game wouldent work.
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In a dreamy liberal world of happiness everyone is happy. So any fight against this world by a CCS would essentially be one that ends universal goodness and replaces it with a (realistic) mix of good, bad, happy, sad.

Thats why LCS works. Any halfway intelligent person knows in a truly conservative world you have under privileged and exploited members of society. People make their means at the expense of others. And as such the LCS tries to equalize the problems by punishing the successful for the benefit of everyone else (don't deny it you lazy bums!). That can ultimately be seen as a noble cause (think robin hood).
The CCS would be out to allow small sects of the liberal masses to step up and above the filth of humanity and become successful- but at cost to others. That seems like a very anti-noble (sic) cause (think sheriff of Nottingham- ultimately he has the law on his side and is collecting legal and rightful debts- yet he is still portrayed as bad).

Since a truly L+ world cannot exist (sorry to burst the bubble folks- that's just how it is) it is fun to play and try to achieve such goals- because your 'terrorist' actions are ultimately for the greater good- the majority will be better off in the long run at the expense of the few.

But to try and push a C+ agenda in an already L+ world is really kind of evil since your goal will be to allow the rise of the few at the expense of the many...
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« Reply #36 on: September 30, 2009, 01:20:26 pm »

The Conservative Crime Squad game wouldn't have you playing the CCS that's depicted in LCS -- the positions would have to be altered because the game's entire world would revolve around the Radical Conservative viewpoint, not the Radical Liberal viewpoint that it does now. Some things might seem to stay the same -- the CCS would still fight to end abortion, in order to stop parents from murdering their children. Others would change -- the CCS would now be in favor of free speech. Mechanically, things would have to change as well. You may still be committing credit card fraud, but you're not engaging in prostitution or selling brownies -- and you're certainly not seducing people of the same sex. I think a CCS game would be a lot of fun, and it would scale pleasantly: the game WOULD get harder as you turn more issues C+. If done properly, playing the two games and experiencing the difference could be enlightening.

I was thinking of some game elements and how they'd play out.  It seems like you'd actually be able to unlock gameplay as you advance in CCS...

1:  Gun Control (As you moved this towards C+, you'd have access to more and more guns, good for gameplay developement)

2:  Environmentalism (As you moved towards C+, everything, especially the car, would become cheaper.  It's CSS, so you just ignore the actual environmental effects)

3:  Taxation (Here's a fun one... as you move this C+, you lose less money per turn.  Take it far enough, and you can make expensive things impossible to get before a certain point, because of the highly progressive tax rate.)

4:  Drug Use (Drugs are bad, M'kay?  recruiting good conservatives is harder if they're all doped up.  Additionally, this could make the game harder, as progress means your opposition starts to sober up.)

5:  Hate Crimes (Drawing heavily on Canada for hate speach here, but any crime you commit would get multiplied by X... You robbed the liquor store and are sent to criminal rehabilitation for 3 days.  However, because the liquor store owner was 1/32nd Indian on his Nanny's side, your actions were deemed a hate crime and you must spend 30 days in sensitivity training.  Also:  Free speech does go both ways.  You'd have fewer options to push your agenda without violating hate speech laws.

Other CCS dystopic elements to fight:

Terrorists and Illegal Im. thieves.



Personally, I think an interesting bit would be to make either side, starting from the C+++ or L+++ difficulty level impossible to win, due to the locked down freedom of speech and state control of opposition issues.

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Re: Conservative Crime Squad
« Reply #37 on: September 30, 2009, 02:12:13 pm »

Yeah, Albright, that sounds a lot better.  I was just trying to come up with a general idea.  If there were a religion issue, it could move from something like "Immorality and lechery are rife, and God is all but forgotten" to something along the lines of "The nation is at peace and united under God".  Not sure what effect this would have, but remember this game is a charicature from the Conservative's point of view - so perhaps as the religion issue advances, you'd find less crackheads, gang members, prostitutes etc.
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Re: Conservative Crime Squad
« Reply #38 on: September 30, 2009, 03:53:13 pm »

liberalism is idealistic, conservatism is not. Thats why I think the game wouldent work.
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Thats why LCS works. Any halfway intelligent person knows in a truly conservative world you have under privileged and exploited members of society. People make their means at the expense of others.
Conservatives have a utopia of their own. Survival of the Fittest. Low, flat taxation means that those who pull the weight get to enjoy the fruits of their labor. Gun ownership protects the individual from the state (and/or Bad Guys): you don't have a gun- you will not be protected (think Wild West). Pollution laws are survival of the fittest on national level- American Indians lived off the land while Europeans raped the earth through mining and clear-cutting,  guess who became the dominant civilization? Homosexuality and abortion seem odd (let them not not pass their genes, right?) until you again see it as a national thing- every boy not born to a poor family of teenage parents is one less GI to be sent overseas 18 yers down the line.
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Re: Conservative Crime Squad
« Reply #39 on: September 30, 2009, 04:52:26 pm »

the CCS would now be in favor of free speech.
I guess free speech could be debated...

However anti-flag burning is as conservative as it gets.
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Re: Conservative Crime Squad
« Reply #40 on: September 30, 2009, 05:06:38 pm »

Does conservatism has to be the fusionism of religious conservativism (pro-life, pro-hetro, pro-God) and fiscal conservativism (anti-pollution regulation, anti-labor regulation, anti-tax)? How about we have a CCS be pretty much bankrolled by CEOs who don't really care about religion?

We had a similar situation before with the LCS who only cared about domestic issues such as nuclear power, and being alright with the military-industrial complex as long as it is enviromentally friendly.
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Re: Conservative Crime Squad
« Reply #41 on: September 30, 2009, 05:25:40 pm »

Well, if we were to have a strictly pro-corporate CCS, it'd be closer to Libertarian Crime Squad.

The "unholy alliance" of social and fiscal conservatism has been pretty much part and parcel to movement conservatism for the last four or so decades, and is kinda hard to avoid if you want to draw on popular stereotypes of it. This does hearken back to discussions we've had of CCS models, though; a Phineas Priesthood CCS wouldn't care in the least about fiscal conservatism, just as an underground corporate-sponsored CCS would probably only deal with social conservatism as PR window-dressing.

Still, if the aim is to draw broad sweeping comparisons, it's probably best to try to leave the fusion intact.
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Re: Conservative Crime Squad
« Reply #42 on: October 01, 2009, 04:36:02 am »

How about an Extreme-Moderate Crime Squad, then?
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Re: Conservative Crime Squad
« Reply #43 on: October 01, 2009, 05:05:04 am »

Personally, I'd want to unite both religious and economic Conservatism. I think there's a lot of interesting space to explore in both.
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Re: Conservative Crime Squad
« Reply #44 on: October 01, 2009, 06:26:27 am »

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Commie-Liberal
Where did the notion that socialism/communism is merely an extreme form of liberalism come from? Seriously. That's just ass-stupid. Communism is an entirely separate set of ideals that has more in common with extreme conservativism (by a very tiny bit) than extreme liberalism.

THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM IS NOT A LINE, IT'S A FUCKING TRIANGLE!
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