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[Solarn]

On that point. Scientists support evolution and the theory of global warming, yet support animal research and nuclear power. It would make sense for them to be classifed as moderates, but instead they are classifed as conservatives. Why?

Game is from the PoV of the LCS, where the great can be the enemy of the good.  In CCS, the global warming and evolution would be sufficient to mark scientists as Liberal.  Technically most scientists tend to be... Democrats, if not liberal.  (Personally, I think this has to do with government teats and who funds science, but that's opinion)

First of all, sorry for the outburst. It's kind of a berserk button with me.

And I stand by my point that while socialism involves socializing economy and services, partly socializing a few key areas of those is nowhere near socialism.

And really, Europe as socialist? While I guess socializing parts of our economy and services is much more common here than in GLORIOUS CAPITALISTIC FREE-MARKET AMERICA, socially we're nowhere near socialism. In fact, most current European leaders got to their posts on platforms of heavy nationalism and thinly-veiled intolerance.

1. No worries...

2.  It's a cardinal direction thing.  I'm crazy libertarian man, so rather than looking at the world on a Democratic/Republican line, everything looks like it's skewed towards socialism for me.  Socialist isn't intended as an insult, nor, really meant as a type of government.  It's just equivilent to saying that governments are liberal or conservative.  I understand that you're standing in the middle of your political universe, and from where you're standing, socialism is even further in that direction.

Makes sense. For me, politics is mostly about social issues anyway. I don't care much about economy as long as it stays away from either extreme (although I might be in favour of a little more control, I think both ways could be made to work), so when I think of socialism, I think of collectivism and the social implications that go along with it and the complete socialization of services like health care, public transport and communication, instead of areas of economy. Therefore, what the Democratic Party is currently trying to do in America doesn't even register on my "socialism radar".

[E. Albright]

2.  It's a cardinal direction thing.  I'm crazy libertarian man, so rather than looking at the world on a Democratic/Republican line, everything looks like it's skewed towards socialism for me.  Socialist isn't intended as an insult, nor, really meant as a type of government.  It's just equivilent to saying that governments are liberal or conservative.  I understand that you're standing in the middle of your political universe, and from where you're standing, socialism is even further in that direction.

The problem with accepting such cardinal-direction slippery slope arguments as at all useful means you open yourself up to retorts in the same vein. Increasing business regulation is a dangerously slippery slope to the socialism of where we stand? Well, decreasing regulation is a dangerously slippery slope to the corporatism of here. Better to make arguments based on merits than on undefined possibilities.

[Aldaris]

On that point. Scientists support evolution and the theory of global warming, yet support animal research and nuclear power. It would make sense for them to be classifed as moderates, but instead they are classifed as conservatives. Why?

Simple.  The LCS regards scientist as evil corporate whores who will torture animals and destroy the planet just for their own bank balances, so that's how they are portrayed in-game.  Same for police officers.

A little off topic, but what would stem-cell researchers be regarded as? In game, of course...

Form the CCS point of view?
Arch Liberal Immoral Evil Monstrosities that Meddle with Things We Are Not Supposed To Know.
Or something like that, anyway.

[The13thRonin]

Liberals are scourge of the earth, conservative might will prevail!

[0_0 OH MY SCIENCE 0_0]

[Aldaris]

*Snip*

Gadzooks! Something must be done!

[Granite26]

2.  It's a cardinal direction thing.  I'm crazy libertarian man, so rather than looking at the world on a Democratic/Republican line, everything looks like it's skewed towards socialism for me.  Socialist isn't intended as an insult, nor, really meant as a type of government.  It's just equivilent to saying that governments are liberal or conservative.  I understand that you're standing in the middle of your political universe, and from where you're standing, socialism is even further in that direction.

The problem with accepting such cardinal-direction slippery slope arguments as at all useful means you open yourself up to retorts in the same vein. Increasing business regulation is a dangerously slippery slope to the socialism of where we stand? Well, decreasing regulation is a dangerously slippery slope to the corporatism of here. Better to make arguments based on merits than on undefined possibilities.

I won't do too much defending of slippery slope, mostly because I agree with you that it's generally a BS argument (in this case I wasn't even saying slippery slope, just from where I stand Democrats are closer to socialists than they are to my views.  (Same is ALMOST true of Republicans and Fascists, so don't get your feelings hurt   Only reason it's not is the dychotomy between Christians and Capitalists, and I ignore the religious right.)

As the slight, weak defense, I'll offer up the justified buyouts (to save the economy) leading to justified additional regulations (because if the governement is implicitely backing you...) leading to companies following the incentives by spending more time lobbying for favorable rules (justified from their PoV) and politicians using their clout to support their specific constituencies donors...
(I accept that you may not find this compelling or the end results 'necessary'.  I just find them extremely likely.)

[EuchreJack]

On that point. Scientists support evolution and the theory of global warming, yet support animal research and nuclear power. It would make sense for them to be classifed as moderates, but instead they are classifed as conservatives. Why?

Simple.  The LCS regards scientist as evil corporate whores who will torture animals and destroy the planet just for their own bank balances, so that's how they are portrayed in-game.  Same for police officers.

A little off topic, but what would stem-cell researchers be regarded as? In game, of course...

Form the CCS point of view?
Arch Liberal Immoral Evil Monstrosities that Meddle with Things We Are Not Supposed To Know.
Or something like that, anyway.

To answer Leafsnail: You're actually describing two different scientists (maybe).  From what I can tell, the scientific community is sharply divided in at least two parts.

Aldaris: Sorry, but Stem-Cell Research doesn't exist in Liberal Crime Squad.  Please play the newest game by those wonderful people on the Bay 12 GAmes LCS forums entitled: Conservative Crime Squad!  Where ALL scientists HATE God and LOVE killing babies for the stem cells!

Please, please, for the love of Armok, please realize I'm just saying that's the case in Conservative Crime Squad*.  In real life, most scientists have some basic belief in a divine being or beings, and not all stem cells come from aborted fetisis, AND there's a difference between fetises and babies.

*Conservative Crime Squad Not yet invented, as we're discussing it's future development currently.  As I'm no programmer, I won't be involved in it's creation other than throwing out the rare idea.

[Servant Corps]

EuchreJack: Actually, a Pew Survey suggest that scientists do in fact share the same beliefs. Scientists are strongly supportive of evolution, global warming theory, nuclear power, and animal research.

Anyway, considering that I still have to release a new version of LCS with the Stalinist Comrade Squad, have to begin coding a game set in Fedualistic America, have to finish a secret project, etc. I have little hope that I myself will take on the project to convert LCS into CCS. Never mind the fact that my own plans for CCS was rather...interesting.

Spoiler: "SUPER DUPER SECRET CCS PLAN" (click to show/hide)

I wanted to experiment with the Alienation mechanic.

The game idea I had involved the CCS engaging in false-flag operations, in the main hopes of alienating a site and thereby turn society more Conservative. The CCS must fight against the real LCS, who behaves as normal.

[E. Albright]

If the existing LCS codebase is to be used to spawn variants, there's a common task that would greatly aid all such development, as well as trunk development.

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Yes, I mean objectifying and refactoring. No, I'm not volunteering.

[The13thRonin]

After I figure out how to make 'political activism' and commiting conservative crime make society more conservative I will implement it in game, I've already changed all the text. I need to fix the Liberals to have a strong starting position too... Instead of the Conservatives?

[Granite26]

After I figure out how to make 'political activism' and commiting conservative crime make society more conservative I will implement it in game, I've already changed all the text. I need to fix the Liberals to have a strong starting position too... Instead of the Conservatives?

It'd be a major mod, but consider leaving it alone.  The big conservative fight is perceptually against the slide and decline of society, not trying to fix an inherently broken one.

[The13thRonin]

After I figure out how to make 'political activism' and commiting conservative crime make society more conservative I will implement it in game, I've already changed all the text. I need to fix the Liberals to have a strong starting position too... Instead of the Conservatives?

It'd be a major mod, but consider leaving it alone.  The big conservative fight is perceptually against the slide and decline of society, not trying to fix an inherently broken one.

No.

[Solarn]

After I figure out how to make 'political activism' and commiting conservative crime make society more conservative I will implement it in game, I've already changed all the text. I need to fix the Liberals to have a strong starting position too... Instead of the Conservatives?

It'd be a major mod, but consider leaving it alone.  The big conservative fight is perceptually against the slide and decline of society, not trying to fix an inherently broken one.

But the same can be said for the big liberal fight too. Basically, in reality both sides perceive their duty as preventing society from falling prey to the excesses of the other side, so there should be no problem in exaggerating that to "changing a fatally broken society by force" in LCS/CCS.

And as proof, I present the comic series Liberality For All, which is basically CCS in comic book form.

[Granite26]

After I figure out how to make 'political activism' and commiting conservative crime make society more conservative I will implement it in game, I've already changed all the text. I need to fix the Liberals to have a strong starting position too... Instead of the Conservatives?

It'd be a major mod, but consider leaving it alone.  The big conservative fight is perceptually against the slide and decline of society, not trying to fix an inherently broken one.

But the same can be said for the big liberal fight too. Basically, in reality both sides perceive their duty as preventing society from falling prey to the excesses of the other side, so there should be no problem in exaggerating that to "changing a fatally broken society by force" in LCS/CCS.

And as proof, I present the comic series Liberality For All, which is basically CCS in comic book form.

I'm not... arguing for one side or the other.  It's my perception that Progressives(Progress) define themselves as motion towards a better place, while Conservatives(Conserve) define themselves as holding on to what is good.

For the most part, Modern Liberalism (as opposed to Classic) has been mainstreamed, and the modern centrists (and society in general) really are being pulled in two directions.  That isn't how the groups sell themselves though.