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« Reply #405 on: January 31, 2023, 05:01:39 pm »

Yeah it's kind of incredible slash disturbing how much her media is still all around considering how she is as a person. It's this sort of strange thing where I'm sure most people are not as rampantly transphobic as she is, yet as they turn a blind eye towards it it's hard to deny that they are still transphobic. Or simply do not know.
What kind of answers would you get if you asked the bookstore manager who chose to put her book out front in the Christmas season? Or that other, separate bookstore manager who did the same. Or the employees who went along with it. At some level everyone is doing their job, and at least here (Sweden) I'm sure many people - out of a culture of compulsory goodness - would claim to have no hatred in them. But then a whole group of people are made an affordable loss, consistently. It turns out there's a whole lot of transphobia out there, and it is in the hearts of people, at times subtle, yet festering.

Let's hope, or see to, that that will change. And I'm sorry if my insight was too obvious.

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« Reply #406 on: February 01, 2023, 05:48:26 pm »

So the irony here is too much not to comment on.

I watched that video then opened facebook. A post from The Royal Mint (sponsored): 'Celebrate 25 years of the publication of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone with a coin featuring the Hogwart's Express!'
Oh boy I can't wait to consoom

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Yeah it's kind of incredible slash disturbing how much her media is still all around considering how she is as a person. It's this sort of strange thing where I'm sure most people are not as rampantly transphobic as she is, yet as they turn a blind eye towards it it's hard to deny that they are still transphobic. Or simply do not know.
What kind of answers would you get if you asked the bookstore manager who chose to put her book out front in the Christmas season? Or that other, separate bookstore manager who did the same. Or the employees who went along with it. At some level everyone is doing their job, and at least here (Sweden) I'm sure many people - out of a culture of compulsory goodness - would claim to have no hatred in them. But then a whole group of people are made an affordable loss, consistently. It turns out there's a whole lot of transphobia out there, and it is in the hearts of people, at times subtle, yet festering.

Let's hope, or see to, that that will change. And I'm sorry if my insight was too obvious.
It's just too much of a cash cow for corpos to give a shit. You can see the cynical pivot to make "Harry Potter without Harry Potter" so they can continue to milk the Harry Potter fanbase without having to deal with any extant links with J.K. Rowling (besides paying her fat bags of money every six months)

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« Reply #407 on: February 01, 2023, 06:35:45 pm »

To think how big the series could be if Rowling never got a Twitter account (half /s)
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« Reply #408 on: February 02, 2023, 04:22:20 am »

When it comes to artists, generally the less you know about them personally, the better.

My childhood was during the Michael Jackson era. Great performer, awesome music.  Less said about him personally, the better.

Do NOT do a deep dive on Jim Carey. You won't be happy.

Ultimately, it's best to separate the work from the people.

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« Reply #409 on: February 02, 2023, 05:22:50 am »

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I haven't really kept up to date on Rowling's comments, but... I don't see any discrimination? Although, to quote the actor who played Hagrid:

“I don’t want to get involved in all of that because of all the hate mail and all that shit, which I don’t need at my time of life.”

Heh.
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« Reply #410 on: February 02, 2023, 06:12:03 am »

So, looking up "Who played Hagrid?", I find there were two actors. Mind blown.
EDIT: Oh wait, the second one was a body double and younger depiction. Oh well

It IS scary how much influence Rowling has, and I tend to suspect it probably is being mobilized against the LGBTQ community.

Basically the 21st century Walt Disney.

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« Reply #411 on: February 02, 2023, 08:28:38 am »

Tolkien was a big fan of the concept of the death of the author is the birth of the reader, which is good since if he was around today it'd probably be a total coinflip whether he became a raging transphobe or not.
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« Reply #412 on: February 02, 2023, 08:52:54 am »

That would depend. If he were around today because of longevity? Possibly. His work revolved around preserving traditional, middle class (even religious, if read between the lines) values in the face of a disrupting war which sought its demise. This could be parsed as England's green pastures vs. German imperialism, but also traditional values vs changing social mores.


But if he were born into our era? He was outspoken in defense of Jews and racial minorities in his own time. I'd give good odds on him supporting the right to self-expression. Also keep in mind that he was first and foremost an academic who seemed to love Oxford University. Even were he inclined to be a 'raging transphobe,' good career-sense might direct him down a more moderate path.
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« Reply #413 on: February 02, 2023, 04:44:50 pm »

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« Reply #414 on: February 02, 2023, 06:06:51 pm »

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Shocking absolutely no one, Jordan Peterson wishes to have trans people eliminated.

Wonder how the fans are going to spin this into him not being a bigot.
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« Reply #415 on: February 02, 2023, 07:00:50 pm »

Yep.  He's been promoting more covid conspiracy stuff too, particularly stuff from fucking Project Veritas.  Guy's completely lost it.

But also yeah Trump's calling for trans elimination.
Weirdly the way they're coming directly for trans culture, art and books, hurts especially.  Maybe *I* could go back to being a rambling alcoholic for another 2-5 years then disappear, who cares, but there's so much beauty in the community.  I guess that's the part they hate the most.

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« Reply #416 on: February 02, 2023, 07:17:58 pm »

I haven't really kept up to date on Rowling's comments, but... I don't see any discrimination?
She's been regularly spewing and boosting TERF shit over on twitter, and publicly palling around with virulent transphobes, just as an easy starting point.

Like, there's problems with her writing on the discrimination front, too, but so far as more recent stuff goes, it's been her public/social media comments that have been not exactly covering her in glory. I've been mostly avoiding exposure 'cause I don't need that shit in my life, but it hasn't been particularly subtle.
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« Reply #417 on: Today at 05:29:49 am »

Today on "Reason the UK's referred to as TERF island":

Seen a good chunk of people on a UK subreddit genuinely arguing that JKR isn't transphobic. She's actually inclusive of trans people, it's just that she's really combative about her views.

EDIT: And her tweet saying that being told to stop being a TERF is the same as demeaning Suffragettes has been defended. The logic being that no, she's not saying that, she's comparing misogyny to misogyny. Nothing to do with transphobia at all.

Y'know, never mind that being a TERF, in its current incarnation (Where it's basically saying you're a liberal transphobe rather than conservative) is neither exclusively directed at women nor does it exclusively come from misogynists.

Blugh, hate that my mere existence is enough of an issue for people to not only get upset at it, but defend people who get upset at it.
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« Reply #418 on: Today at 08:17:14 am »

I haven't really kept up to date on Rowling's comments, but... I don't see any discrimination?
She's been regularly spewing and boosting TERF shit over on twitter, and publicly palling around with virulent transphobes, just as an easy starting point.

Like, there's problems with her writing on the discrimination front, too, but so far as more recent stuff goes, it's been her public/social media comments that have been not exactly covering her in glory. I've been mostly avoiding exposure 'cause I don't need that shit in my life, but it hasn't been particularly subtle.

Take your word for it! I just read through her original essay (and boiled it down to help me parse it: see spoiler, keep in mind this is VERY boiled down)

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The general gist seems to be 'stop calling me and my fellows radicals, I have valid concerns about the youth's health and women's rights, but respect and empathise with those who've transitioned. Stop intimidating me.'

Note: Not making a point, just decided to procrastinate on work by reading essays not relevant to my dissertation :'(
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