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[mastahcheese]

More sads: Not being sure if a PM I sent went through or not, and having to wait for the other person to respond to find out.
Also I really need to get around to actually getting work done instead of sitting around accomplishing nothing.

[Tack]

God is just a benevolent version of Cthulhu, slumbering galaxies away, completely unaware of our existence. Woe to any who wake him, for he shall step across the light-years in a manner of hours and wrap up humanity in rapturous bliss, transforming us into a peaceful slave-race based on tolerance, welfare and compassion. So terrible will his morality be that the evil upon our world shall immediately die of shame, and the good shall immediately burst into tears of joy... and then burst. Billions of souls gobbled up in a single terrifying instant and kept in eternal ecstasy.

[Graknorke]

I don't see why God can't be the Devil. That'd explain all that talk about trials and temptation.

Pretty sure this is close to canon. The bible doesn't say that Satan is a devil with horns and lives in a flaming Hell; in fact, he asks God's permission to put Job through trials.

I thought Satan was an angel who didn't want to deal with humans against God's orders. So he just kind of pissed off and did very little of note.

[TD1]

I don't think I like a God that doesn't care personally. Sounds rather arrogant.

That's not arrogance. It's only arrogance if you have good reason to care.
But when the things you're supposedly meant to care about are little collections of numbers in a simulation it's hardly arrogant to not care about their wellbeing.

True. Then, to counter, I don't want to worship a computer to which my worship makes no odds whatsoever.

I don't worship Dwarf Fortress. Most of the time.

[mastahcheese]

So terrible will his morality be that the evil upon our world shall immediately die of shame, and the good shall immediately burst into tears of joy... and then burst.

I would not want to be the one to clean that up.

[TD1]

So terrible will his morality be that the evil upon our world shall immediately die of shame, and the good shall immediately burst into tears of joy... and then burst.

I would not want to be the one to clean that up.

Leave it at your work. Someone will take it,I'm sure.

[mastahcheese]

Actually, since the work wifi modem went missing, nothing else has gone missing yet.
It's concerning.

[TD1]

They're working up the nerve to take the building. One day, just....*poof*

Gone.

[Xantalos]

Just how apathetic are the people at your workplace, dude? That's beyond concerning.

[mastahcheese]

From what I heard, one day when I wasn't working, one of my co-workers was taken out of the building in handcuffs by the police, and the managers just got on the phone to find someone to take his place for the day, and complained that it looked bad in front of customers.

[Tiruin]

Net goes out just RIGHT before I update a several MS page post.

Cue reconnecting.

Nope!
For the next blasted time, another lost post. Hello repolishing >_>

[Tiruin]

Man, this conversation is reminding me just how long it's been since I've contemplated or even cared about any of this.
Personally, I think I'm starting to lean closer to reincarnation at this point, but that's off-topic.

On the God debate, I think I believe more so in the "God doesn't intervene" category. Not that God doesn't care, just that nothing is done about it.

Most of our problems are man-made.
Most of how we fix it is man-made.
God does care, but he does not intervene when we can actually fix it, is the adage there.

[Descan]

As a counterpoint, humans understand that fire=danger.

Hm.

This made me think; in future Dwarf Fortress, this problem will probably be gone. But, there will also be many versions of Dwarf Fortress by that point. All the different releases may be seen as prototypes. So, Dwarf Fortress Parallel universes, moving forwards in time until perfection. Evolution, if you will.

So, is our universe merely a prototype of some unfathomable being? And, if we are constantly being updated with new versions (Ours probably being out of date by now) will the end result be the final step in the journey to heaven?

If you've ever read Anathem, the eventual reveal is

Spoiler: MAJOR spoiler, so... (click to show/hide)

each universe is a rougher version of the ones "in front" of it, i.e. you can only travel "forward" and those universes are "purer" versions of your own, in the sense that information can only travel "backwards", i.e. various events, circumstances, and historical processes are reflections of "forward" universes, while "forward" universes do not reflect those "behind". Eventually, you would continuously go "forward" until you arrive at the one Pure Universe, or "Version 1.0" if you will (barring patches). That pure universe is the ultimate origin of any and all ideas that have been reflected by down-stream universes, and is not influenced by any up-stream influences itself.

One example of this reflection is that Earth is a rougher version of Arbre, and where-as we have religious worship and contemplation in cloisters, Arbre has Maths instead of Monasteries, where the "monks" are locked in for 1, 10, 100, or 1000 years to devote their lives to science, mathematics, and inventions. Arbre still has religion, but only outside the cloistered maths, inside is pure science.

To bring this home to the dwarf fortress analogy, each universe is a "newer version" of the universes "behind" it (barring bug-ridden "set-backs" so, much like "version 1.0" and the existence of post-release patching, it is not a perfect analogy. In fact, the universe-as-program-development is a "purer" copy of program development; there is no set-backs in code and version 1.0 is the Best Version) .

What that MEANS though is that, much like the people on Arbre and on Earth are different peoples, and the dwarves in one version and the dwarves in another (heck, between copies and between world-gens) are not the same dwarf, even if they share mostly the same anatomy and dispositions... Even if our universe were an in-development copy, that would mean nothing for us; we would never travel to a more developed "program" automatically, but would have to find a way to travel forward.
]If we could at all. I don't know about you, but I'm not expecting Dorf McMason to break on through from 40d to DF2012.

Edit: Tir, most of our problems are natural, not man-made. Most deaths, for example, are from things like heart attack and cancers and disease, not war or murder or accidents. So yeah, not man-made, and very very difficult to cure by man. Loooots of unnecessary suffering, there~ And that doesn't include non-fatal suffering, either!

[Parsely]

Wanna make a fgrp game, but worried about it getting no hype.

Blimey was I an annoying cunt sometimes.

Feel dat.

Well that's what I made this thread for.

[TD1]

Wanna make a fgrp game, but worried about it getting no hype.

Blimey was I an annoying cunt sometimes.

Feel dat.

Well that's what I made this thread for.

Did....you just shamelessly advertise your thread here? Your thread on advertising?