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Author Topic: Things that made you sad today thread.  (Read 8474989 times)

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #76815 on: June 15, 2014, 05:40:42 pm »

Speaking of, having formal address forms be ingrained into your culture sucks. 'Sir' and 'Madam' are, as far as I observed, relatively rarely used for strangers outside of formal situations in English, whereas over here, it's the default. Which I find a pain in the ass because it adds another, pointless barrier when meeting strangers.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #76816 on: June 15, 2014, 05:41:56 pm »

From what I heard about etymology (or related word, can't pinpoint it) was that 'he' was gender neutral o-o
Take it as a compliment Allee! In a way... :o

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"He" is taken as default, not as neutral.
I didn't read it as misgendered ._.
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« Reply #76817 on: June 15, 2014, 05:45:01 pm »

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #76818 on: June 15, 2014, 05:45:47 pm »

Fuck pronouns. Why can't English have simple genderless ones like most every other language?
While the pronouns upset you, some other languages gender words, which is to say all of them. I'm not all that familiar with linguistics, but I think it might be a trade-off kind of deal, as I've heard English described as an unusually genderless language several times before.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #76819 on: June 15, 2014, 05:46:47 pm »

Sorry for biting you :< *hugs*
Sorry for-...misinterpreting D:
*hugs too*
Though I seriously remember someone saying that in...word history(?). Blarghgh memory .__.
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« Reply #76820 on: June 15, 2014, 05:48:51 pm »

Fuck pronouns. Why can't English have simple genderless ones like most every other language?
While the pronouns upset you, some other languages gender words, which is to say all of them. I'm not all that familiar with linguistics, but I think it might be a trade-off kind of deal, as I've heard English described as an unusually genderless language several times before.
Yeah, all languages I'm familiar with are more gendered than English.
In terms of pronouns, it's mostly the same, but in most languages it is much more difficult to talk about someone without referring to their gender.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #76821 on: June 15, 2014, 05:56:17 pm »

Yes, it does. In German (as I recall), words come in Male, Female, and Plural Female. I've heard Plural sometimes called Machine as well, as it tends to apply to them. Which I think means that a literal translation would result in you referring to your car as being multiple women in English.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #76822 on: June 15, 2014, 06:03:59 pm »

Sorry for biting you :< *hugs*
Sorry for-...misinterpreting D:
*hugs too*
Though I seriously remember someone saying that in...word history(?). Blarghgh memory .__.
People (read: assholes :V) insist that He is the english version of gender neutral, just because everyone uses it that way.

When other people (read: glorious master race) insist that They is the english version of gender neutral, because everyone uses it that way and not everyone is male.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #76823 on: June 15, 2014, 06:05:00 pm »

Sorry for biting you :< *hugs*
Sorry for-...misinterpreting D:
*hugs too*
Though I seriously remember someone saying that in...word history(?). Blarghgh memory .__.
People (read: assholes :V) insist that He is the english version of gender neutral, just because everyone uses it that way.

When other people (read: glorious master race) insist that They is the english version of gender neutral, because everyone uses it that way and not everyone is male.
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So my memory got a wrong source.
Now I feel shamed D:
Thanks for correcting!
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« Reply #76824 on: June 15, 2014, 06:07:07 pm »

If I spoke Spanish, at least people would get clued into my gender by the way I speak. Also, even if you say you use "dude" to refer to everybody regardless of gender, you really don't. Trust me, I notice this shit.

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« Reply #76825 on: June 15, 2014, 06:10:13 pm »

Yes, it does. In German (as I recall), words come in Male, Female, and Plural Female. I've heard Plural sometimes called Machine as well, as it tends to apply to them. Which I think means that a literal translation would result in you referring to your car as being multiple women in English.
No, no. It's Male, Female, Neutral. Some plural forms are identical, maybe that's what you mean.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #76826 on: June 15, 2014, 06:11:23 pm »

When other people (read: glorious master race) insist that They is the english version of gender neutral, because everyone uses it that way and not everyone is male.
But the potential for maleness was inside you all along. Or at least if you go along with the thing that there is an intrinsic binary personality trait of male/female that isn't shaped by experience.
I don't but everyone else seems to so I'll roll with it.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #76827 on: June 15, 2014, 06:12:15 pm »

a literal translation would result in you referring to your car as being multiple women
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #76828 on: June 15, 2014, 06:16:04 pm »

I use "they" in speech, but while rapidly typing I confess I often default to "he" because it's the shortest pronoun. And for no other reason. For spoken English, "they" is undoubtedly the gender-neutral singular.

I say dude to men and women, because, to me, dude is just what you call someone.

Not like I use dude very often.
At least around here, "dude" seems to be neutral. "Guys" is borderline, in some contexts.

Personally, I imagine one day we can live in a genderless society, but then again I'm a sexless robot.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #76829 on: June 15, 2014, 06:40:16 pm »

In my experience, "guys" is fairly often neutral. People try to say they use "dude" as gender neutral, but they always use it to refer to guys more than girls. I've never met anyone who uses "dude" to refer to women just as often as they do to men, and I know a lot of people who use that word.
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