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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #100860 on: February 04, 2016, 05:36:25 pm »

They're only painting with too broad a brush if your assumption about them rejecting the cases where that makes sense is true, which it might not be.
not really - the literal text of his post meets my description of painting too broadly, as it does not allow for the case i brought up as a counterexample. the post begins with a description of my expectation of his response to the rest of the post. perhaps it was overly mean, though.

That's the exception, not the rule.

I'm talking about shit like Adobe changing all their software that used to be installable to a subscription model.
They need to make money.

They could always try selling software.

The Adobe move actually makes sense for them. They used to sell stuff for crazy prices that few people could afford and had issues with rampant piracy. So, to make it affordable for people they decided to make it a subscription thing instead. It's pretty great actually, because now, fledling artists don't need to rely on pirated software until they make enough money to go legit and can instead go legit from the start.

Oh it does make sense for them. It certainly does. That doesn't matter. At all. Everything that Machiavelli said in The Prince makes sense as well; that doesn't make it good.

It makes sense for them to the detriment of everyone else. Their customers pay more over the long term. And also, any uptick they have in commerce hurts support for free alternatives, which is bad for absolutely everybody who isn't a stockholder in adobe
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #100861 on: February 04, 2016, 05:39:34 pm »

Well the better solution would probably be just... selling it for less money.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #100862 on: February 04, 2016, 06:06:48 pm »

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Yeah, how dare those businessmen try to make money, it's disgusting
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #100863 on: February 04, 2016, 06:23:32 pm »

Yes, paying 30-ish bucks a month for a product that's constantly being updated and worked on is way worse than shelling out 500+ dollars on something every couple of years. And offering a superior service for less money is heinous practice indeed if it means that people who were forced to use free options will now switch to that because they can finally afford it.
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« Reply #100864 on: February 04, 2016, 06:34:17 pm »

Yes, paying 30-ish bucks a month for a product that's constantly being updated and worked on is way worse than shelling out 500+ dollars on something every couple of years. And offering a superior service for less money is heinous practice indeed if it means that people who were forced to use free options will now switch to that because they can finally afford it.

Uh, 30*24 is, like, $720. That's kind of more than $500. I'm just saying.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #100865 on: February 04, 2016, 06:36:10 pm »

Yeah but it's in smaller chunks, so people who don't have $500 laying around will find it easier to afford.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #100866 on: February 04, 2016, 06:40:22 pm »

Plus, and this counts as a sad, most people who pick up CS4 to work on a project are going to end their subscription after a month, maybe two.

Hooray for those who keep at it, though.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #100867 on: February 04, 2016, 06:45:49 pm »

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Yeah, how dare those businessmen try to make money, it's disgusting

This argument makes me sad.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #100868 on: February 04, 2016, 06:52:45 pm »

Yes, paying 30-ish bucks a month for a product that's constantly being updated and worked on is way worse than shelling out 500+ dollars on something every couple of years. And offering a superior service for less money is heinous practice indeed if it means that people who were forced to use free options will now switch to that because they can finally afford it.

Uh, 30*24 is, like, $720. That's kind of more than $500. I'm just saying.

Those were from memory, I went and checked, cheapest sub for CC is 20 bucks a month, while the cheapest CS6 you can get is 700 dollars.

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #100869 on: February 04, 2016, 06:54:38 pm »

I discovered Krita recently. Free, open source, can handle PhotoShop files... I've never used PhotoShop so I can't compare it, and have barely used Krita so far too. But, hey. Could be with a look if you don't want to give Adobe any money.  :P

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #100870 on: February 04, 2016, 09:51:26 pm »

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Yeah, how dare those businessmen try to make money, it's disgusting

This argument makes me sad.

It's us vs them.

If its feasible for comparable products to reach the consumer for free than yes, it is disgusting that corporations try to make money. Businesses exist only to supply what we the consumers demand; this is the totality of their value; profits and wages are a necessary evil at best. This business model comprimises that purpose.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #100871 on: February 04, 2016, 10:17:19 pm »

Looks like this is gonna be one of those weekends where I have too much I want to do and not enough money to do it...
It's not as bad as it sometimes is, I guess. Although I will be pretty poor by the end of it. :-\
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #100872 on: February 04, 2016, 10:19:13 pm »

I don't like capitalism either but you're complaining about the fundamental way it works - goods in exchange for money - without proposing an alternative, which is silly.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #100873 on: February 04, 2016, 10:22:18 pm »

Славный советский коммунизм совершенная замена!

But yes, in all seriousness, while I do agree with Bohan, there has to be a viable replacement, however basic, before another system can be thrown away. It's possible that "Economic Anarchy"  or somesuch could be that replacement, but it has to be there.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #100874 on: February 04, 2016, 10:27:25 pm »

If we smash the system do I get more beer money? Or does beer money itself become an outdated concept?
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