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Author Topic: Things that made you sad today thread.  (Read 5838005 times)

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #114570 on: December 19, 2018, 05:54:57 am »

Well, if we were at risk of extinction we should all breed, but since there's plenty of humans around and specially there are plenty of human larvae under abandon by their parental units I would encourage anyone that can provide a loving and caring refugee to adopt.

This is something the wife and I have talked plenty, and we would love to provide someone with a better chance in life someday. Of course first we need to provide our own squab and ourselves a better chance.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #114571 on: December 19, 2018, 06:20:09 am »

Well, if we were at risk of extinction we should all breed, but since there's plenty of humans around and specially there are plenty of human larvae under abandon by their parental units I would encourage anyone that can provide a loving and caring refugee to adopt.

This is something the wife and I have talked plenty, and we would love to provide someone with a better chance in life someday. Of course first we need to provide our own squab and ourselves a better chance.

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I'm imagining that one heavyset guy from the Africa commercials (fifty cents could feed this child a day) walking up to a grown man like, "This is Alfonso. Everyday Alfonso has to go to work for 12 hours and not make any political statements or he'll get arrested. For just a thousand dollars, we could perform an extraordinary rendition and keep Alfonso in an overseas black site."

And the whole time Alfonso is steadily growing more uncomfortable and terrified while the guy puts his hand on his shoulder obliviously and gazes soulfully into the camera as Arms of an Angel plays and CIA blackbag guys wait impatiently in the background.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #114572 on: December 19, 2018, 08:28:27 am »

Well, if we were at risk of extinction we should all breed, but since there's plenty of humans around and specially there are plenty of human larvae under abandon by their parental units I would encourage anyone that can provide a loving and caring refugee to adopt.

This is something the wife and I have talked plenty, and we would love to provide someone with a better chance in life someday. Of course first we need to provide our own squab and ourselves a better chance.

Adopt-a-Refugee

I'm imagining that one heavyset guy from the Africa commercials (fifty cents could feed this child a day) walking up to a grown man like, "This is Alfonso. Everyday Alfonso has to go to work for 12 hours and not make any political statements or he'll get arrested. For just a thousand dollars, we could perform an extraordinary rendition and keep Alfonso in an overseas black site."

And the whole time Alfonso is steadily growing more uncomfortable and terrified while the guy puts his hand on his shoulder obliviously and gazes soulfully into the camera as Arms of an Angel plays and CIA blackbag guys wait impatiently in the background.

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #114573 on: December 19, 2018, 10:41:07 am »

Woah woah, I want my own larvae. I can adopt as far away as the son of a cousin, but as dwarfy mentionned, I want to breed because of my biologically determined tribalism, not out of love for humanity
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #114574 on: December 19, 2018, 10:48:55 am »

I accept the biological argument, but people wanting their own kids are bloody selfish.  We've got waaaay too many people, and good kids needing good parents are overlooked for more bloody resource-devourers.

I didn't choose to have my daughter, of course I love her, but i'm not going to pretend that it was good sense to breed.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #114575 on: December 19, 2018, 10:50:55 am »

I fully admit this is purely a selfish decision and I make no apology for it. I'm not setting up to solve any social issue with my reproductive behavior tho I recognize they exist.

(Also I don't want to go into details, but the previous gov we had attached a heavy (and probably contrary to international law) price tag to the operation of surrogacy, by deprieving surrogate kids of their human rights to a free education and medical aid. So right now I'm building up the means to pay for the inflated price, and maybe the new leadership will use that gunpoint money to fund orphenages and do its job of controlling demography. Either way, I'm just a guy, I ain't solving overpopulation with my own individual behavior)
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #114576 on: December 19, 2018, 11:33:25 pm »

I accept the biological argument, but people wanting their own kids are bloody selfish.  We've got waaaay too many people, and good kids needing good parents are overlooked for more bloody resource-devourers.

I didn't choose to have my daughter, of course I love her, but i'm not going to pretend that it was good sense to breed.

This is complete goddamn nonsense.  If the current generation doesn't breed at least at replacement levels then our entire system, from bottom to top, is going to completely collapse.  And don't feed me any garbage about how much ecological damage we're causing because it is far to fucking late to try to use that argument.  We aren't going to be able to even stabilize things unless we start using our resources much more intelligently, and that sure as hell won't happen if we regress to goddam subsistence farming.

We all have a basic biological imperative to try to continue our own genetic line, it isn't any more 'selfish' of me to have a family that I can support than it is for some central African or southeast Asian who CANNOT to have multiple children.  In fact, I'd argue that I am in a massively better position to make that choice.

You don't get to decide what is or isn't selfish, society as a whole does.

edit: If I have, in fact, misunderstood your argument again, then I apologize.  I'm gettin' real sick of this particular bullshit attitude I see floating around lately tho'.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #114577 on: December 19, 2018, 11:51:25 pm »

Methinks youíre looking for an argument that wasnít made.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #114578 on: December 20, 2018, 01:51:22 am »

You don't get to decide what is or isn't selfish, society as a whole does.
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« Reply #114579 on: December 20, 2018, 02:11:15 am »

I agree, at least partially, with Rowanas. The point is that there are millions of children in the US alone who were incredibly unfortunate enough to lose both their parents. It doesn't make sense to me to bring more children into the world instead of directing my resources towards raising those that already exist and are suffering. If I ever want children, I would probably adopt instead of going the traditional way.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #114580 on: December 20, 2018, 02:41:28 am »

That is a completely reasonable attitude to have, and I am not arguing against supporting orphan children, but the massive contributors to overpopulation are not western countries (excepting the U.S.)  So complaining about people in western nations having children is kind of meaningless.

Hell, Africa's population is expected to nearly double (to around 2 billion) by 2050.  To equal the population of the two largest nations, China and India, requires the next 24-25 nations combined.  Bitching about children in Europe seems pretty stupid by those numbers.
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« Reply #114581 on: December 20, 2018, 03:03:00 am »

Bloop_Bleep has it.

While on the global scale I do take my misanthropy past malthusianism and into genocide (I think we're just too flawed to build happy, sustainable communities and we need to die off in our entirety and let someone else take the stage), that wasn't the point of my post.

With that aside, we should be expending our resources to care for the children that already exist, rather than creating more children.  It's wasteful and foolish and has nothing to do with population numbers. If there is a child going without, and you want a child, why not make a life better rather than  making a new one and letting the existing child continue to suffer?  I would hold this to be true regardless of humanity's population.  It is always better to eliminate unhappiness when you can.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #114582 on: December 20, 2018, 03:04:40 am »

That takes so much work. Why not send the surplus children to a sausage factory and then feed the rest?
It would be easier, more efficient, and would create jobs
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #114583 on: December 20, 2018, 03:11:51 am »

Look, I get exactly where you are coming from here, there are no good solutions to our civilization's woes.  But there are estimated to be around 153 million orphans worldwide, this number is obviously incomplete as many places that have major problems with orphans (China, most African nations) do not have reliable numbers to work with.  But even if you take a pretty liberal estimate of 300 million orphans globally, you aren't even coming close to population maintenance for the places on Earth that might actually be able to DO SOMETHING about these problems (tho' I sure as hell won't hold my breath for it.)  And we cannot afford to let our technological nations pull a Japan unless we really are willing to write off our civilization, which I am absolutely opposed to.

As far as the genocide option goes, I don't oppose this viewpoint entirely, but I also refuse to accept it unless all other options (of which there are painfully few and most are beyond unlikely to happen) are explored, attempted, and exhausted.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #114584 on: December 20, 2018, 03:16:24 am »

That takes so much work. Why not send the surplus children to a sausage factory and then feed the rest?
It would be easier, more efficient, and would create jobs

Goddamnit, I was, for a single post, trying to be a reasonable human being, and you go and suggest something that is unworkable.  We need to grind the -elderly- up into sausages, they're the ones fucking our economies to death.

Look, I get exactly where you are coming from here, there are no good solutions to our civilization's woes.  But there are estimated to be around 153 million orphans worldwide, this number is obviously incomplete as many places that have major problems with orphans (China, most African nations) do not have reliable numbers to work with.  But even if you take a pretty liberal estimate of 300 million orphans globally, you aren't even coming close to population maintenance for the places on Earth that might actually be able to DO SOMETHING about these problems (tho' I sure as hell won't hold my breath for it.)  And we cannot afford to let our technological nations pull a Japan unless we really are willing to write off our civilization, which I am absolutely opposed to.

I don't have enough data to refute your point, I can only say that I reckon we could maintain our civilisations with smaller population numbers. Don't know how much smaller, or if it's true, but there might be a study or two somewhere.
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