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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #116190 on: August 30, 2019, 06:53:56 am »

Human civilization will collapse soon because we trapped ourselves in an unsustainable system that is slowly killing us


The best part is how people that refuse to admit how fast everything could go downhill, are generally the same that are shitting their pants when there is like 5% more immigration than an average year. They're willing to go full hunger games if there is a  handful of brown people too many, yet they think our society is capable of mastering a real catastrophe, just fucking lol.

Or you know, the refusal to acknowledge that more climate change => more migration. You want less immigration, I want less people to have to leave their homes. Sounds like we have a common goal, but no
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #116191 on: August 30, 2019, 07:08:26 am »

Because less climate change == no vroom room sounding car, and damnit, their sexual insecurities have to be placated! Those electric vehicles are for liberal pansies too afraid to eat meat!

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You would be surprised the number of people who call me a liar, when I honestly say I am willing to live with dark age furnishings rather than kill the planet. With existing knowledge, we could make that mode of living quite tolerable. It just means giving up disposable packaging, highly artificial  building materials, and willfully letting populations decline instead of intervening medically for everything.

A 6fold reduction in living standards would naturally result in such a population contraction, because keeping people around on permanent medical intervention would be too resource expensive. It's completely unapproachable politically, but mother nature doesn't give a fuck, and neither does the grim spectre of reality.

This kind of violent throw down of civilization has happened before (resource depletion, followed by catastrophic collapse, that is) but never at this scale. Humanity has been systemically unwilling to learn it's lesson on this, and always does the same things, over and over again.  This time, we might kill the whole world down to germs with us. 

Are you willing to live in a mud hut, without heating or air conditioning, and without running water? If you say no, you aren't thinking about this realistically.

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #116192 on: August 30, 2019, 07:22:54 am »

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and willfully letting populations decline instead of intervening medically for everything.
Is the bit I can't agree with there. I'm certain the costs of modern medicine on the environment could be handled.
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« Reply #116193 on: August 30, 2019, 07:27:18 am »

No.

To make the medicines requires highly refined catalysts, highly refined source materials, often times requires refined petroleum products, very chemically clean glassware, sterile conditions requiring the use of germicides, etc.. etc..

No. Modern levels of medical care would be obscenely expensive.

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Think about this kind of scenario: Without the hard work of immunologists, (Who are very specialized workers, who require the support of modern civilization to do their work, and would be unable to do that work without modern civilization), there would be no yearly flu vaccine.

What do you suppose would happen, the next major flu season hits?
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #116194 on: August 30, 2019, 07:50:38 am »

I'm not going to call you a lair unless you've got a night creature living in your innards
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« Reply #116195 on: August 30, 2019, 07:55:32 am »

A little late on your witty riposte, I have already corrected it prior to your posting. :P (by about a half hour I might add!)

You can thank my phone for helpfully correcting my spelling of LIAR with LAIR.

Go figure.
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« Reply #116196 on: August 30, 2019, 08:04:27 am »

I actually tried to post it immediately, but the df site decided to not work for a bit so it had to languish in my clipout space for a bit. Oh well!
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« Reply #116197 on: August 30, 2019, 08:44:28 am »

Think about this kind of scenario: Without the hard work of immunologists, (Who are very specialized workers, who require the support of modern civilization to do their work, and would be unable to do that work without modern civilization), there would be no yearly flu vaccine.

What do you suppose would happen, the next major flu season hits?

The hell kinda 0th world country do you live in where people actually get flu vaccines? I've heard of it, but you can colour me very surprised if the average African has been vaccinated since their childhood.
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« Reply #116198 on: August 30, 2019, 08:48:43 am »

The average african does not live in a megacity that sprawls and sprawls and sprawls either.



 (~4 million people live in Los Angeles, or a little over 1% of the US population total. In ONE city. When you then consider places like NewYork (8.6million, or ~2% of US population, in one city.) as well, along with how contagious influenza is, coupled with a sharp reduction in medicines to treat the fevers, coughs, and other ailments that promote its spread, and directly contribute to fatalities, it paints a very different picture very quickly.)


If people DIDNT get vaccinations each year, there would be absurd numbers of deaths, simply because of how many people are crammed into so tiny a space.  The countries that are most off-put by the notion of a 6 fold reduction in standard of living, are the ones with such mega cities, and the ones that would have such huge die-offs.

The african countries would only have to deal with the bad weather changes. Not highly contagious plagues, and mobs of people looking for resources.
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« Reply #116199 on: August 30, 2019, 09:16:11 am »

and willfully letting populations decline instead of intervening medically for everything.

Anyone supporting such opinions can start with themselves.

For those that are interested in electric vehicles, an interesting aspect that is (at least in my experience) oftenly ignored is that as long as the necessary energy to use them comes from combustion based technologies (which is what the majority of power plant currently use) then no matter what anyone's marketing campaign says,  they will be as damaging for the environment as the current petrol/oil using ones.

The only thing that we could achieve if we were to swap our fuel using cars for electric ones overnight, would be to improve the situation near large population centers while damning the area and population near every power producing site. So no it's not only about our dick sizes.


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« Reply #116200 on: August 30, 2019, 09:21:31 am »

The majority of US population (total) fits that description.
https://www.governing.com/gov-data/population-density-land-area-cities-map.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/12/18/americans-say-theres-not-much-appeal-big-city-living-why-do-so-many-us-live-there/?noredirect=on


The US is a major offender for CO2 emissions.
https://www.ucsusa.org/global-warming/science-and-impacts/science/each-countrys-share-of-co2.html

AND-- since you brought it up--

Even IF all the power generated going into EVs was generated by coal, the efficiency increase over gasoline engines would at the least cut (our) CO2 emissions in half.
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/03/10/electric-car-myth-buster-efficiency/


So yeah, its mostly about the dicks.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #116201 on: August 30, 2019, 09:35:26 am »

Even if you get the energy part clean, wheels and brakes will still be dispersed into the landscape, not to mention the awful city design choices the car imposes. Personal vehicles are a cul de sac.



Something is off today why do I feel like a moderate  :D?

you can colour me very surprised if the average African has been vaccinated since their childhood.


I mean there is a difference between tetanus shoots and vaccines as a live-service in the image of modern online-drm software.


and willfully letting populations decline instead of intervening medically for everything.

Anyone supporting such opinions can start with themselves.

We don't have to be spartans but maybe don't give mr Rockefeller more than 5 hearth transplants?


 :D Anyways...

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« Reply #116202 on: August 30, 2019, 09:40:12 am »

Oh, I would LOVE for the US to finally acknowledge that mass transit between states is a great thing, and embrace the Euro-train-system model.  Doing that with electric mass transit would do wonders!

But then again-- No VROOMVROOM, and that sexual inadequacy DEMANDS placation!
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #116203 on: August 30, 2019, 09:44:53 am »

I donít know why we donít do trains, the tracks still exist. I agree that this would be a good idea.
Why do you keep bringing up sexual inadequacy? I thought people didnít like their cars to be loud

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« Reply #116204 on: August 30, 2019, 09:49:50 am »

(~4 million people live in Los Angeles, or a little over 1% of the US population total. In ONE city. When you then consider places like NewYork (8.6million, or ~2% of US population, in one city.)

Those are rookie numbers in this business, you gotta pump those up.

Lagos has a population estimated at 21 million in 2016

Cairo is Egyptís largest city and capital. It is heralded as the cradle of civilization. It has a population of over 20.4 million.

Once a site of fishing and trading villages, Kinshasa is now a megacity with an estimated population of more than 11 million.

or a little over 1% of the US population total. In ONE city

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The population of South Africa is about 57.7 million people
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Cape Town's 2019 population is now estimated at 4,524,111

~7%.

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Nigeria is one of the most densely populated countries in Africa, with approximately 200 million people

Lagos population: ~21 million, percentage: over 10.

I dunno what your conception of Africa is that you think a city of 4 million is a lot for us, but I suggest you update that.
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