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[webadict]

Hey, Meph - why didn't you kill Zai and then Sonearage on the following night?  It would have at least given us some doubt as to who the SK was, although I think we'd probably still lynch you.

Also - did you really get a Vigilante present AND the SK kill?

No, he got the SK kill only.

[dakarian]

No.  He DID get Vig and the SK kill.  He just wasn't allowed to use both at the same time, making it all moot.

sidenote: Web got to see Meph get his present, so he got to see the Vig gift, but not the SK effect.

Both him and I found it very interesting when the randomizer (and I SWEAR I do randomize these things) gave him the wish to be a Vig.  It was even more tripped up when he sent letters to santa and the grinch AND was the only one to receive a real role from Santa.

Note, the Vig role would've only been useful if he rolled up town.  It made for a nice balance.  Still, I wish I  had designed the SK aspect to be harder to spot.

[Zai]

So nobody really got a true present. >,>

[dakarian]

Don't blame me.  You gave half the town coal.

Though it was interesting that you deemed Webadict and Leafsnail 'nice'.  Leafsnail was the one to kill Webadict, ending the scum threat, and webadict blocked Meph, thus keeping Night 3 1-kill only.

[Leafsnail]

So I didn't waste my kill .

Vig would've been really useful if Meph became a grinch-ally.

[CobaltKobold]

But he can't go mafially AND get fullgift, as mafially is if you only hit grinches, and fullgift is only if you hit Santa.

[Leafsnail]

Oh yeah, true.

Well, survivor + vig could be interesting .

[CobaltKobold]

also requires santa not get letter.

[dakarian]

Vig would only occur and be useful as a town-ally. 

[Leafsnail]

Hmm... just out of interest, Meph, what alignment were you aiming for?

[dakarian]

In truth that was a nice balance to him.  Survivors really don't need a full role and giving the scum a 3rd player WITH a full role would be too powerful.  SK really doesn't need a role but it would give a nice cover for them (assuming they don't get 'Vig" for their role ). 

[CobaltKobold]

4 ketters suggests sk

[Mephansteras]

Hey, Meph - why didn't you kill Zai and then Sonearage on the following night?  It would have at least given us some doubt as to who the SK was, although I think we'd probably still lynch you.

Also - did you really get a Vigilante present AND the SK kill?

Because there wasn't really a point. With the way the letters worked, the SK Could ONLY have been me or Org. And if I killed Zai I couldn't possibly have explained it away as a misguided suspicion, so I'd have been lynched before the end of the game for sure. I shouldn't have killed Sonearage, but I somehow missed that everyone actually accepted that she was the Helper and thus confirmed.

As for what I was hoping for...I wasn't sure, but I thought SK or Vig would be fun. Although if I'd thought about the system's implications more I'd have done two letters and gone for Survivor/Grinch Ally/Town. Those I might have been able to win.

[Pandarsenic]

Meph: What if you'd have popped Santa then none'd the second night and claimed it was a Grinch-Ally with a 1-shot kill?

[Mephansteras]

Meph: What if you'd have popped Santa then none'd the second night and claimed it was a Grinch-Ally with a 1-shot kill?

I considered that, but I think I'd have been lynched before the end of the game anyway. I mean, a grinch-ally 1-shot wouldn't have a good reason to do that.