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Author Topic: Depression and Me- I have a choice.  (Read 6003 times)

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Re: Depression and Me- I have a choice.
« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2010, 04:50:21 pm »

What the hell do you mean "wrong", morally wrong? Factually wrong? What does that even mean?

I think it is wrong in the sense that it wont make you feel better...if you do it, for say, masochistic sexual pleasure, its alright, but it wont heal your depression.
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Re: Depression and Me- I have a choice.
« Reply #31 on: January 04, 2010, 04:59:26 pm »

I think it is wrong in the sense that it wont make you feel better...if you do it, for say, masochistic sexual pleasure, its alright, but it wont heal your depression.
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I don't think a small typo was the part that made it confusing. 
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Re: Depression and Me- I have a choice.
« Reply #32 on: January 04, 2010, 05:30:06 pm »

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Depression... I feel this way when I reflect on all I have failed in life... dead kittens
Oh man, I'm doing this every month or so. If I have time to sit down and think or reflect on anything I do, I just pummel myself into a hole.

Normally I just keep myself distracted so that I never have time to think, but this isn't really a solution at all, it's just prolonging the problem. Medication for depression I think, note the "IMO" part of that, does essentially the same thing. Most antidepressants, or at least all the one's whose side effects I've seen, are the equivalent of a lobotomy, chemically rendering you unable to care or worry about anything (which can be disastrous sometimes in removing a barrier to suicide). I think that medication for depression is handed out a little too readily. A good (as in one that actually trying to help you, not keep you there paying 20+$ an hour as long as they can) psychologist can do way more for some types of depressed people than a chemical lobotomy. Other kinds of depressed people I've noticed have an outright genetic rather than psychological disposition, and not just a disposition to do something that makes them depressed like I do, but an outright and direct unbalance of happy chemicals. These people I think are the ones that should be taking some kind of medication, but then if they're just on the lobotomy stuff, they have no inhibitions on following their predisposed instinct and offing themselves. Granted I've never seen an antidepressant that wasn't just the equivalent of a chemical lobotomy.

I'm rather hard on myself a lot and I've come to many realizations with this. I'll tell you right now the root of it and what they all point to if the source of your depression is your failures. You care about some things more than the thing in question deserves, your priorities are out of order or scale, you are rather self-centered in your judgment, you cannot let go, you focus on details too much, so forth. Circle any that apply.

What really helped me is observing other people more often. I critique myself a lot. Perhaps I make a stupid mistake, I'll spend the next half hour being the silent person in the corner, while grinding myself in my mind. What I've found is that in that half hour, provided I'm not too busy grinding myself for being stupid to notice, there are at least half a dozen mistakes made by other people around me. However, usually I'm too self centered in my judgment and critique to even notice, and so it becomes a bigger deal for me than it really should.

As for you, there's nothing specific I can say. If I was saying this to someone I've actually been around, like a friend, I could be helpful (I'd hope anyway), but this is more or less a hopeful rant.

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not having anything I can do about it really tore me up
Helplessness pisses me off, and depresses me which usually leads to a rather odd set of feelings. The only thing I have to say about it is that you have to learn to accept helplessness when it happens. Kind of a life lesson, especially when concerning death. Quite simply, if there's nothing you can do, then there's nothing you can do. You're not at fault in such cases. You'll always feel guilty somehow, but when shit happens regardless of you, then shit happens.

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past failures (and grades)
This is the one I have trouble with. Unlike Runt, you know you had control over what was happening at the time. As for me, I remind myself that when something is done and unfixable, then it's done. I have some trouble accepting the helplessness of the fact that there's jack I can do about something, but I ended up reminding myself of a small argument so I don't brood over stuff like I used to: Once a mistake is set in stone, it's another mistake to waste time over it. You just have to let go and move on.

Hope something I said here can be useful somehow.
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Re: Depression and Me- I have a choice.
« Reply #33 on: January 04, 2010, 06:05:25 pm »


Self harm is wrong. Thaughts about self harm are wrong.

Oh Jesus Christ what

you might as well tell 12 year old boys "sex is wrong; thoughts about sex are wrong."

The guy has problems, obviously the way to fix the problems is to tell him that he's "wrong" for having them and to stop having them, right?

Sex is a natural thing and so are thaughts about it; people who have thaughts of suicide are not wrong just the thaughts... the way I elimanated them was realising that they dont work properly in real life, and derooting them in my head... the same way you would deroot a catchy song, drown it in its opposite... or in this case thaughts of success.

Also alot of advice you get from professionals only helps with the thaughts of suicide and not their cause; which means they may return.
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Re: Depression and Me- I have a choice.
« Reply #34 on: January 04, 2010, 07:26:58 pm »

Let's try and be respectful here guys, this poor person didn't make the thread so we could all shout at each other.  >:(

It's really tempting at this point to say "I've been there", but that was likely an angsty teenage thing and was entirely my own fault, so I won't attempt to act like it's something you can easily shrug off because I've been through it.  :(

I'd say see a doctor about it. When you said about what happened to you, I'm pretty sure it was an emotional overload and won't be a dangerous long term problem if you can, as Hungry said, weather the storm.  :)
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Re: Depression and Me- I have a choice.
« Reply #35 on: January 04, 2010, 07:45:39 pm »

I know that this is a touchy subject, and not to be disrespectful of people's problems or anything, but is it Oh No I'm Depressed Week or something?

I'm betting it's SAD making its way through.
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« Reply #36 on: January 05, 2010, 11:06:44 am »


Self harm is wrong. Thaughts about self harm are wrong.

Oh Jesus Christ what

you might as well tell 12 year old boys "sex is wrong; thoughts about sex are wrong."

The guy has problems, obviously the way to fix the problems is to tell him that he's "wrong" for having them and to stop having them, right?

Sex is a natural thing and so are thaughts about it; people who have thaughts of suicide are not wrong just the thaughts... the way I elimanated them was realising that they dont work properly in real life, and derooting them in my head... the same way you would deroot a catchy song, drown it in its opposite... or in this case thaughts of success.

Also alot of advice you get from professionals only helps with the thaughts of suicide and not their cause; which means they may return.

What the hell do you mean "wrong", morally wrong? Factually wrong? What does that even mean?

Evolutionary, biologicly, socially...

What are you TALKING about? What does that even mean?

And yeah, winter is the top time for people to be depressed and mopey because there's no sunlight = SAD. Luckily I like winter, except that this cold weather is really killing my buzz when it comes to biking
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Re: Depression and Me- I have a choice.
« Reply #37 on: January 05, 2010, 11:11:13 am »

but is it Oh No I'm Depressed Week or something?
Yes it is.
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Re: Depression and Me- I have a choice.
« Reply #38 on: January 05, 2010, 12:36:45 pm »

I have some more bad advice for you ;) :

You are depressed and don't like it? Stop. Decide to not be depressed. Enact your will over your own mind. Seize your own power and overcome. Find strength in your suffering and forge it into a tool. Just do it, live life. Take control of your life back.

Get out and do stuff, change your scenery. Eat real food, not sugar and snacks but meat, vegetables and complex carbs. Exercise, feel real pain, gain real strength, it will help put your feelings in perspective. Talk to people, make some friends. Teach yourself something new.

Depression is a cascading iterative self sustaining cycle, eventually it is the symptoms themselves that become the cause. Doing things that reduce your symptoms can over time reduce your causes and lift you out of the hole you feel you are in.

Therapy and medication did nothing for me. The only cure for my problems was my own will. Everyone is different though, some people respond to medication or therapy better, some don't.
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Re: Depression and Me- I have a choice.
« Reply #39 on: January 05, 2010, 05:31:26 pm »

Well, I've set up a meeting with the Psychiatrist for next monday. I've also decided that Antidepressants will be a last resort if talking to the shrink doesn't work.

Also, I've come up with a sort of method for coping. If I have a thought of suicide, I'd think of ways that it could go wrong and keep me alive (example: Gun is actually a weighted squirt gun, rope is licorice and breaks) so that's helping a little.

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« Reply #40 on: January 05, 2010, 10:15:20 pm »

I have some more bad advice for you ;) :

You are depressed and don't like it? Stop. Decide to not be depressed. Enact your will over your own mind. Seize your own power and overcome. Find strength in your suffering and forge it into a tool. Just do it, live life. Take control of your life back.


Wow what great advice

I mean it's good to know that mental illness is just a choice that you can make right

I mean it's not like anybody would ever be mentally ill unless they WANTED to for some reason, because I mean it's just a decision you make right

jesus I knew the internet was a bad place to ask for advice but really
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Re: Depression and Me- I have a choice.
« Reply #41 on: January 05, 2010, 10:51:04 pm »

Read the rest of what I said. Its not some miracle cure, it could very well help though. Depression is often caused by feeling of loosing control, helplessness and hopelessness reinforced by the symptoms of apathy, inactivity, isolation, etc.

Being active and taking control is good advice to help someone with depression. But it should not be considered advice that they should avoid therapy or pharmaceuticals.
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« Reply #42 on: January 06, 2010, 01:32:34 pm »

What Nadaka says is true. Fake it till you make it really works.

Go out and play. Meet people, talk, force yourself to have a good time.

They once researched the effect of facial muscles on the brain, instead of the other way around. People whose faces were forced in a happy position were significantly happier than the ones whose faces were forced in an unhappy position. Smile a lot :)
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« Reply #43 on: January 06, 2010, 04:04:41 pm »

I think if someone was forcibly molding my face into a smile I'd be pretty unhappy.
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Re: Depression and Me- I have a choice.
« Reply #44 on: January 06, 2010, 05:33:46 pm »

Science says you will be :)

It's... Like pretending you have an active life, by forcing yourself to do stuff, and some time in the future you'll look back and say "whoah, I really DO have an active life".

What absolutely does not help: Lock yourself in your house behind a computer for several years, playing the same mind-numbing games over and over and over and over.
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