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Raneman

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« on: January 08, 2010, 03:18:11 pm »

In Military affairs, how about the ability for either side to surrender.
Post surrender things could be slaving, taking of goods, imprisonment, etc in more evil races.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2010, 05:37:57 pm by Raneman »
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alfie275

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Re: Surrdender
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2010, 05:23:22 pm »

You misspelt surrender.
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Re: Surrender
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2010, 06:11:05 pm »

you mean something like an option to "Succumb to the Invasion"?

(because that exists)
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Re: Surrender
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2010, 06:12:17 pm »

Yay!  I want to be able to watch while goblins torture and rape my citizens!

Yeah, no.  The current options are probably fine.  Your side can "succumb to the invasion," the other side can run away.
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Re: Surrender
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2010, 08:09:03 pm »

Footkerchief i have seen you derail about 5 threads today so could you please stop. Or not talk so it may be discussed by the people who want to discus it.
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Re: Surrender
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2010, 09:14:34 pm »

If you want to discuss it, that's fine, I won't stop you.  Just know that there's a good chance you'll repeat what others already said, unless you read the threads I linked and try to build on the ideas expressed there.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2010, 09:40:44 pm by Footkerchief »
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Re: Surrender
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2010, 09:50:42 pm »

Footkerchief i have seen you derail about 5 threads today so could you please stop. Or not talk so it may be discussed by the people who want to discus it.

I don't see how pointing out similar discussions, thereby bringing more of the community's ideas to attention, is in any way derailing.
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Re: Surrender
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2010, 11:06:26 pm »

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« Last Edit: April 11, 2015, 12:20:06 am by Bauglir »
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Re: Surrender
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2010, 12:32:38 am »

Footkerchief i have seen you derail about 5 threads today so could you please stop. Or not talk so it may be discussed by the people who want to discus it.

Footkerchief has the patience to do something few people seem to: use the search function.  This is an incredibly good thing, because he voluntarily does what others can't seem to be bothered to do.  The reasons for this have already been stated.

For that matter, you didn't start this thread, or brought any input to it whatsoever, so what's it to you?  I know that's being a little harsh, but you should really be more grateful for others doing your work for you.
« Last Edit: January 09, 2010, 12:37:28 am by KenboCalrissian »
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Re: Surrender
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2010, 12:51:01 am »

1. The search function is not quite so easy as all that. You need to remember the right words or phrases.

2. He does seem to be being brasher/less patient than usual.
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Re: Surrender
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2010, 06:03:45 am »

Just to try to put something on-topic into the thread I would like to suggest that it would probably be fairly easy to randomly destroy(or transfer to the invader's inventory) 90% of your fortresses wealth, and destroy half your buildings, 10% of your dwarves, and steal all your children to cause all invaders to flee. It would give an option other than do or die...
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Re: Surrender
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2010, 07:15:25 am »

A victorious invasion probably draws an unconditional surrender, where the victim just has to take whatever the victor dishes out. i.e. he succumbs to the invasion.

--but what about a conditional surrender. It would be pretty awesome to be able to call for a parley in the middle of a siege, and have you leader or a skilled negotiator meet with the goblin warlord.

It could be like trading with a caravan , except instead of buying goods, you're paying them not to kill all your people.

You might not be able to do that to the less formal raids that happen early on, but a full fledged siege might be susceptible to such tactics.

This saves the goblins the long wait and the battle with your defenders, and it allows you to lose just your hoard, instead of your hoard, your dwarves, and your fortress. They could even demand the tribute delivered to your trade depot, in order to recycle some code.

On second thought, they should provide a depot like place to deliver the goods. Knowing the kind of death trap some of the trade depots can be, that would make it too easy to kill the team sent to collect the tribute.

BTW: Nice derail Backpak! That's some nice trolling, what with the framing of somebody else, built right in. /sarcasm
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Re: Surrender
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2010, 07:21:11 am »

Looks like someone still wasn't pleased even after you did the proper search, Footkerchief. It's ironic, but too upsetting to be entertaining.
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Re: Surrender
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2010, 01:55:06 pm »

All negotiations should probably be done in the enemy camp, the conditions should also depend on the negotiator skill of the dwarf sent there, if you send a bad person:
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Urist McNegotiator:"Three: One to light the torch, one to worship an ugly demon and one to die in a magma trap!"
*sound of crossbows being fired*
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