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[Draco18s]

quote:Originally posted by KiTA:
<STRONG>I particularly loved losing random children to floor destruction when I was trying to un-do a few squares of floor on top of a magma pit.    </STRONG>

Orr...the pit filled with aquifer-water.
/me lost a miner that way.

[nordo]

heh, i just posted the same problem before finding this post.  Dwarves may be dumb enough to wall themselves in, or dig channels that leaves them stranded on a tiny island, but please let them remove a floor while not standing on it.

[Alfador]

How it should work: When a square has a dwarf assigned to it to remove the floor, either through removing constructed floor, or channeling, or any other method, the square on which a dwarf could stand that will be caused not to be a viable standing space by the job, will be automatically marked as forbidden, causing any dwarf or dwarves on the tile to immediately vacate it, and preventing any others from moving into it or pathing through it.

How it currently works: The dwarves are falling.

[Shadowlord]

quote:Originally posted by Core Xii:
<STRONG>This basically makes it impossible to remove floors currently.</STRONG>

Not really.

Personally, I build a floodgate on top of the floor before ordering the floor removed. Once it's removed, there will be a floodgate and a rock (or whatever) floating on the tile. Dismantle the floodgate and the rock falls, but the dwarves do not since they were never able to stand on the floor tile.

[Core Xii]

quote:Originally posted by Shadowlord:
<STRONG>Not really.

Personally, I build a floodgate on top of the floor before ordering the floor removed. Once it's removed, there will be a floodgate and a rock (or whatever) floating on the tile. Dismantle the floodgate and the rock falls, but the dwarves do not since they were never able to stand on the floor tile.</STRONG>

And if you want to remove say a 5 x 5 area, you have to babysit the whole process, building a floodgate on each of the 25 floor tiles one by one. (unless you wanna build a whole bunch of floodgates for that purpose)

[nordo]

Just pretend the dwarves are the three stooges and it becomes a fun problem.

[Lord Dullard]

quote:Originally posted by nordo:
<STRONG>Just pretend the dwarves are the three stooges and it becomes a fun problem.</STRONG>

Only if you have a very masochistic idea of 'fun'.

The channeling needs to be fixed, too.. I usually actually have more of a problem with that than with floors. Usually if I construct a floor, I do it for a reason and with forethought, so I'm not getting rid of it. Digging channels is problematic a lot, though, since dwarves love to sentence each other to death by digging holes underneath their fellows..

[Core Xii]

quote:Originally posted by Lord Dullard:
<STRONG>Digging channels is problematic a lot, though, since dwarves love to sentence each other to death by digging holes underneath their fellows..</STRONG>

That's easy to prevent, though, by designating only every other tile, then when those are dug, the other ones.

Removing floors on the other hand is difficult to make safe.

[Havlock]

There's an even easier and safer way than the "checkerboard" method of designating channels. I describe it in detail in this thread I made: http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=11&t=001132

Basically, it boils down to digging out lots of stairways, then channeling the stairways out from the top down. Much safer than just using the channel designation. There's also another method in that thread that uses just digging ramps to channel instead of channeling. Both have their merits, but the "ramping" method is faster. Hope this helps you out.

[mickel]

quote:Originally posted by Core Xii:
<STRONG>

And if you want to remove say a 5 x 5 area, you have to babysit the whole process, building a floodgate on each of the 25 floor tiles one by one. (unless you wanna build a whole bunch of floodgates for that purpose)</STRONG>

Exactly. That seems like a really awkward workaround. Wouldn't it be easier to just have the dwarves not remove floors that are currently being stood on?

[Zemat]

Just as a addendum to the original suggestion. Only dwarves with the masonry activity highlighted should be responsible for removing floors and walls. It not only makes more sense, but it also prevents dwarves that aren't masons from wasting time (which is far too long, IMO) removing buildings.

By the way. The time taken to remove things compared to building them is far to long. Building walls/floors should take longer and removing them should be shorter. At least both should be equal on time. Just as an example, masons that recently worked on my house took one week to build a brick wall and only one day to remove another.

[mickel]

I suppose it depends a little on if you just want to knock the wall down, or if you want to be able to reuse all the materials. But yes, it could do with a bit of rebalancing, perhaps...