Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[Rose]

I call bull.

10k is the limit given.

[lordnincompoop]

You can manually change this in the text files in the init folder. That's how I genned a 200z map.

[Mason11987]

Hate to burst the bubble chaps but the best I've done even on my 64-bit system is 2010 years on a large map.  Memory usage was reeeeeally tight (something like 1.8G) - the issue being that while my computer might be able to run in 64-bits, DF is 32-bit. 

I can't see getting to year 10k without gearing down to at the very least a medium map.

Consider bubble still unburst:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

About 14 hours in.

[Deathworks]

Hi!

Japa: He is right. While I have not tested it myself, I have seen people share world gen info that has values that exceed the normal maximum values. So, it seems reasonable to expect that.

(I wonder if it was possible to increase the number of cavern layers that way)

Anyhow, just out of curiosity, how about combining the number of historical events with the memory usage. As I said, on my old computer, I had a fairly consistent crash at a certain number of historical events, and if historical events ate up your memory for breakfast, that could explain the problems on that computer.

I am also pointing to that, because world gen year doesn't say anything as a world where all civs get munched by megabeasts in the first century will probably gen a lot faster than a world where 60 civs keep fighting it out. And it seems reasonable that more memory is used if more events are to be calculated/compared/related/whatever. The question is, how much, though.

Deathworks

[Draco18s]

(I wonder if it was possible to increase the number of cavern layers that way)

That's easy to test.

Told a medium region to gen with 6 cavern layers, otherwise left things alone.

So far no crash (56 rejects before history gen).

History gen complete, offloading units.

Ok, so it managed to save, so either the value is ignored (eg. > 3 equals 3) or there are 6 caverns and the map data can handle it.

Embarking on an Extreme (20+) Cliffs area with a volcano (for the hell of it).  Volcano has a bit that juts out of the side of the mountain for 6 z near the top.  Lol.

And...there are 3 cavern layers in my 49 Z of underground.

[Corona688]

Are you using a 32 bit operating system?

Yes, I am.  Wish I had 64bit but well...

Irrelevant until DF itself has a 64-bit executable.

[tieme]

Are you using a 32 bit operating system?

Yes, I am.  Wish I had 64bit but well...

Irrelevant until DF itself has a 64-bit executable.

Or you want more than about 3.5 gigs of usable memory.

[jseah]

Are you using a 32 bit operating system?

Yes, I am.  Wish I had 64bit but well...

Irrelevant until DF itself has a 64-bit executable.

Or you want more than about 3.5 gigs of usable memory.

I have 4gb of ram now.  Which means I'm wasting some memory. 

Not like anything else uses memory and/or processing power quite like DF.  They don't make games like that anymore... =(

[tieme]

It just crashed

7197 years and 1,918,208 KB of memory used.

Over 6 million events and 200,000 historical figures.

Given this info, what do you guys want me to do next?

I could try re running with 6000-7000 years for a couple of instances (3 should be fine).

I'm leaving later today(in about 6 hours) so let me know what you guys want and I'll report back in a week.

[Deathworks]

Hi!

Thank you, Draco18s for the verification. Too bad that is blocked at the moment.

Thank you for your testing, Tieme. Could you do exactly the same gen, only with less than half the number of civs? I want to see how reducing the number of civs and/or events will impact this. Thank you.

Deathworks

[tieme]

Hi!

Thank you, Draco18s for the verification. Too bad that is blocked at the moment.

Thank you for your testing, Tieme. Could you do exactly the same gen, only with less than half the number of civs? I want to see how reducing the number of civs and/or events will impact this. Thank you.

Deathworks

Yes.  Would love to.  It makes it much easier on me when you guys tell me exactly what you want

Here is the plan then:

1 world with the same params as I originally did but 5500 years. 
1 world with the same params but half the number of civilizations. 

Unless anyone else has any input.  Would be glad to hear it.

[Dagoth Urist]

I don't have any input, just reassuring you that you're doing alright
The two experiments sound exactly what we're after. Are you generating islands or regions?
If a third one is possible, I'd like to see a world with the same params & 5500 years, only this time with the Genesis mod

[Corona688]

Or you want more than about 3.5 gigs of usable memory.

DF is still 32-bit, a 64-bit OS won't help DF use any more memory.

[tieme]

Or you want more than about 3.5 gigs of usable memory.

DF is still 32-bit, a 64-bit OS won't help DF use any more memory.

If you have a 32 bit OS the system can only identify 4gigs worth of addresses minus everything else that is addressed on your system.  Leaving most systems with about 3.5 gigs.  I'm using 2.5 gigs idle which would leave with only 1 gig for any extra game/application.  Because I have 64 bit I have 8 gigs of addressable memory, and leaves a full 5.5 for anything extra I want to do such as DF.

/e: Dagoth.  That sounds great to me.  I use genesis and have been running vanilla for this experiment because I wasn't sure what the differences were in world gen and if many people even used genesis.  The current plan then is to run 3 instances.  The two I mentioned earlier and the one you brought up with genesis.  If they all max out at 2 gigs (hopefully they won't)  it will cause a little paging as I idle at 2.5 but it should have plenty of time to work it out.  I'm going to start one running right now and the other 2 when I leave tonight so that it will hopefully finish before the other 2 get towards the end and free up some memory before they need it.

/e2:  Last update before I go.  My genesis install is not able to find a suitable site for some reason.  It rejects about 500 and then gives me an error.  I'm not sure why.  It was doing so before when I was trying to get maps with really high magma chance, but I'm next to positive I set everything else back to normal.  So no genesis.  However the other 2 are still running and if this works out hopefully we can continue the thread and more ideas in a week.  Maybe .04 will even be out when I get back

[Mason11987]

Just checked this morning to see how it's going, and it crashed:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

More data needed.  Let's run it again!