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nenjin

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Seeking Liberal Guidance
« on: May 25, 2010, 06:04:46 am »

Hey guys. Finally started playing LCS, and I have a bunch of questions even after reading the wiki and playing for a few good hours. 

1. Changing opinion. I'm sort of lost on how to target specific issues, and what is really making a difference versus what is not. I sort of understand it like this:

The public cares more about an issue when you do activities relating to said issue. So liberating sweatshop workers and destroying machinery makes the public care more about labor laws.

What I don't get is the scale and the impact of some activities. What does newspaper writing target? What does Harass Websites actually DO to public opinion? How do you change public opinion on Drug Law? Police Behavior? And how much of these activities do I need to do to see some relevant impact?

And...how do you make the public care about an issue so you can change their opinion? I guess in the end I'm not really sure where you begin...focusing on things people care about already, or liberally inflaming public opinion on issues I want/need to have changed.

2. Is the public's view of LCS pretty much tied to it's overall conservative/liberal bent?

3. What impacts being ratted out by fallen LCS members? Heart? Juice? Other than testifying against you if you're arrested, what effect does it have on your current operations? Are prostitutes a risky gamble since they have little juice and are prime for getting picked up? Should I honestly worry about getting legions of hippies, pros and illegals busted for petty crimes?

4. I'm a little confused on the hierarchy of the organization. What does promoting someone do, and how does that impact you when they rat you out?

5. Is there no safer way to train street survival and cooking than selling brownies? Seems like a catch-22 for those with low street survival that want to build either of those up.

6. Good targets to acquire the business skill from?

7. What governs a squad member's grasp of "issues" when they're out talking to people? Likewise, when dealing with liberal figures of power, like lawyers and liberal judges, what does it take to get them engaged in your cause? I've had poor luck in my third month now, trying to get some sleepers in the justice system. My leader with issues 25, persuasion 2 has like a 50/50 shot of even getting them to respond to a conversation.

8. Clothing. I get the uses of many of them as disguises, but do they influence other things as well? For example, does the trenchcoat provide concealability for larger weapons? Does wearing nicer clothing make it easier to approach upper class figures?

9. Lastly, is there a more comprehensive wiki available than http://lcs.wikidot.com/? Seems a bit behind the times and, while decent for getting started, lacks quite a bit of detail.
« Last Edit: May 25, 2010, 06:14:15 am by nenjin »
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Re: Seeking Liberal Guidance
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2010, 02:54:26 pm »

I'll answer what I'll can off the top of my head.

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1. Changing opinion. I'm sort of lost on how to target specific issues, and what is really making a difference versus what is not. I sort of understand it like this:

The public cares more about an issue when you do activities relating to said issue. So liberating sweatshop workers and destroying machinery makes the public care more about labor laws.

What I don't get is the scale and the impact of some activities. What does newspaper writing target? What does Harass Websites actually DO to public opinion? How do you change public opinion on Drug Law? Police Behavior? And how much of these activities do I need to do to see some relevant impact?

And...how do you make the public care about an issue so you can change their opinion? I guess in the end I'm not really sure where you begin...focusing on things people care about already, or liberally inflaming public opinion on issues I want/need to have changed.

You got it somewhat. To influence an issue, you can raid a site related to it. To affect the police issue, attack the police station, etc. Also, if you raid the cable or radio station, you can use the equipment there to make a broadcast, and the squad will talk to the public about an issue picked at random. I don't know any way other than this to affect the drug issue.
 
As for scale, well I think the way to get the most impact on an issue is to raid a site related to it. You can get some impact out of graffiti and liberal disobedience, but a raid can do more. Not sure what the newspaper targets. The Liberal Guardian can target issues through special issues you make at the end of the month if you have evidence and a printing press.
 
And if you are talking about the public interest part of the info poll thing, I never really bothered about that. I say, attack issues with a low %.
 
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3. What impacts being ratted out by fallen LCS members? Heart? Juice? Other than testifying against you if you're arrested, what effect does it have on your current operations?
The members superior loses juice and he gets a charge of racketeering, and the rat will testify against him. Also, Juice impacts if they rat you out. I also think he can send the cops towards his old safehouse.
 
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4. I'm a little confused on the hierarchy of the organization. What does promoting someone do, and how does that impact you when they rat you out?

Here is how it works. You have the founder, the head of the organization. He can recruit others, but has a limit based on juice and a skill called leadership, and they report to him. If his recruits rat him out, he get the racketeering charge. If a recruit builds up juice or leadership,they can recruit others, and if one of their recruits rat them out, the recruit who recruited him get the charge, not the founder. You can promote the recruit of a recruit, and he becomes a recruit of the founder, and if he wants the LCS out, the founder gets the charge.
 
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9. Lastly, is there a more comprehensive wiki available than http://lcs.wikidot.com/? Seems a bit behind the times and, while decent for getting started, lacks quite a bit of detail.

No. It is out of date, but there is no other wiki.
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Re: Seeking Liberal Guidance
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2010, 03:15:14 pm »

Thanks for the reply.

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If a recruit builds up juice or leadership,they can recruit others, and if one of their recruits rat them out, the recruit who recruited him get the charge, not the founder. You can promote the recruit of a recruit, and he becomes a recruit of the founder, and if he wants the LCS out, the founder gets the charge.

Uh...SWEET. So basically, if I train up some recruits as leaders, and get them recruiting, I can basically isolate my founder from rats and such, if I arrange it right?
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Re: Seeking Liberal Guidance
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2010, 03:19:28 pm »

Thanks for the reply.

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If a recruit builds up juice or leadership,they can recruit others, and if one of their recruits rat them out, the recruit who recruited him get the charge, not the founder. You can promote the recruit of a recruit, and he becomes a recruit of the founder, and if he wants the LCS out, the founder gets the charge.

Uh...SWEET. So basically, if I train up some recruits as leaders, and get them recruiting, I can basically isolate my founder from rats and such, if I arrange it right?

Yep. It is actually part of my playstyle to have my founder tucked safely away, with no people in danger of ratting out the LCS connected to him or her. Anyone in danger of getting arrested with a connection to him/her has too much juice to rat him/her out.
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Re: Seeking Liberal Guidance
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2010, 03:30:37 pm »

I think I'll just go Machievelian, and kill all the people my founder recruits once the LCS is up and running...

Also, can you rent out multiple apartments, or are you limited to the one you're renting, and the other safe houses in the Industrial District? Is there any reason NOT have all LCS members engaged in legal activities stay at the homeless shelter? (Assuming they aren't bodyguards.) It seems like the whole point of paid apartments is secrecy, so if you don't need secrecy, there's no reason to pay for housing. Do I have it right or is there some other benefit to paid housing?
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Re: Seeking Liberal Guidance
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2010, 03:41:52 pm »

Well, heat fades faster in university apartments, and even faster in downtown ones according to the wiki. And you can rent from as many apartments as you want.
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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2010, 12:00:51 pm »

So yeah, before you unleash your guitar squad, you can have them train up in music while living at the homeless shelter.

They don't actually check the homeless shelter unless it specifically attracts heat, right?  So even illegal, but not violently so, things like brownie baking & selling are relatively ok to do there?

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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2010, 12:21:25 pm »

Yea, the cops rarely if ever raid any of your bases unless it takes +100% heat...

But... the CCS may have different ideas.  They usually don't gun for the Homeless Shelter though.  I guess they have to be aware of your location.

Your printing press location will get raided by all sorts if and when you publish news...

In short: Brownies don't bring heat, just dead or captured liberals and loads of cash.
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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2010, 03:25:21 pm »

As I understand it though, since the shelter provides no secrecy, a member's chances of getting busted are better at the homeless shelter, yeah?
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« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2010, 04:58:44 pm »

As I understand it though, since the shelter provides no secrecy, a member's chances of getting busted are better at the homeless shelter, yeah?

No clue, well, doesn't matter where you put them.  They still make tons of cash for relatively no risk.  Just use fodder... and if they get caught... fight it out!  Win-win no matter the outcome...
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« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2010, 09:41:18 pm »

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I don't know any way other than this to affect the drug issue.

Drug issue could be affected by attacking the Police Station and the Prison. I think.
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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2010, 08:27:55 am »

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I don't know any way other than this to affect the drug issue.

Drug issue could be affected by attacking the Police Station and the Prison. I think.


And probably the Vegan Co-op, Crack Houses, etc.
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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2010, 12:25:33 pm »

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I don't know any way other than this to affect the drug issue.

Drug issue could be affected by attacking the Police Station and the Prison. I think.


And probably the Vegan Co-op, Crack Houses, etc.

I think the Court House even affects the drug issue.  When in doubt, raid the Court House!

Seriously, a majority of the issues are affected by raiding the Court House, which is why one Court House Sleeper can prevent the world from succumbing to Arch-Conservatism.

Also, me and a bunch of LCS (Liberal Crime Squad) veterans just finished a Community LP, and I personally learned a lot.  Here is the link, you will learn a lot also by reading our story: Liberal Crime Squad Community Game

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Re: Seeking Liberal Guidance
« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2010, 12:59:38 pm »

If you want to effect a issue but can't find how, then just spam the Raido and TV Stations. You will eventualy go through every issue. Also, this is the only way to directly effect Millitary Spending.
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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2010, 02:47:53 pm »

You can also affect Military Spending by attacking the Intelligence HQ (don't ask me why either).
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