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[Shaostoul]

Okay, I was thinking vials only... /sigh

Anyways, yeah, I could see it being a mystery metal that metals relatively quick, but again. I still think stone would be way easier. Especially considering you can drop large quantities of those real easy and fill it back up via reaction. It might be a little tricky setting the specific vials up for use.

[D_E]

I've had two mysterious fires on embark now, and I think I know what's causing it:  the game selects random woods to make barrels for your starting food supplies, and I think it occasionally chooses bonfire wood (after the fire died down, I had two stacks of meat on the wagon square.  Suggests it was a barrel).

I'm not sure how you would fix it, but possibly by making it a creature material?  You can create creature materials by rxn, I think, but as long as the creature isn't placed the game wouldn't let the civs make items from it.

[NRN_R_Sumo1]

simply forbidding the bonfire wood helps too.
or just simply using rock for the firepit.

[NRN_R_Sumo1]

has anyone had any success in creating a long lasting knock out smoke or otherwise trapworthy smoke?

[Shaostoul]

I've been... preoccupied... I'm working on just getting a new fort with the new ver/deon's mod.

I think I'm going to have to make a stone that won't ignite in underground temperature, but will when semi near the fire.

[Flaede]

I've been... preoccupied... I'm working on just getting a new fort with the new ver/deon's mod.

I think I'm going to have to make a stone that won't ignite in underground temperature, but will when semi near the fire.

I'm curious about this. If you get the temperature setting rihgt, please post them. Also - does specific density affect things like this?

[NRN_R_Sumo1]

I've been... preoccupied... I'm working on just getting a new fort with the new ver/deon's mod.

I think I'm going to have to make a stone that won't ignite in underground temperature, but will when semi near the fire.

what I'm thinking of is changing the 'coal' stone so that it will spew gas, the temp's seem to be fine on the one warlords supplied.. I just am confused on syndromes, it seems that they rely on being part of a creature or in the case of gnomeblight, a plant.. but I know that deon had a workaround with mining out coal to give black lung.

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[INORGANIC:COAL_BONFIRE]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:STONE_TEMPLATE]
   [STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:bonfire][DISPLAY_COLOR:0:7:1][TILE:15]
   [ITEM_SYMBOL:15]
   [IGNITE_POINT:11000]
   [MELTING_POINT:NONE]
   [MAT_FIXED_TEMP:12000]
   [SPEC_HEAT:10000]
   [BOILING_POINT:NONE]
   [SOLID_DENSITY:10000]
   [IS_STONE]
actually relooking at the code there, no boiling point and no melting point kinda go against what I want to do I think, as that would only allow regular smoke correct?

[Shaostoul]

Well the way I'm going to be testing it is...

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XXXBXXXBXXX
UUUUUUUUUUU
PPPPPPPPPPPP
UUUUUUUUUUU
XXXBXXXBXXX

X = walls
B = bonfire
U = fortification or channel
P = path for enemies

I'll probably have doors or some sort behind the bonfires so I can "reload them.

above the path +1 z level I'll have hatches with a stone (coal possibly) to drop down and when in the line of heat of the bonfires, it will hopefully boil and do stuff...

We'll see... let me get to work and we'll find out.

I know someone said the temperature for underground was constant, anyone have that number? Also, does heat travel through objects like hatches? Does a creature carrying an object transfer heat?

The margins I'm going to be working with for heat are going to be very small, so I need to be exact...

-in addition edit-

this is for the black lung stone...

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[INORGANIC:LIGNITE_DUST]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:STONE_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:lignite][DISPLAY_COLOR:0:7:1][TILE:'*']
[ENVIRONMENT_SPEC:LIGNITE:CLUSTER_SMALL:5]
[SPEC_HEAT:409]
[IGNITE_POINT:11440]
[MELTING_POINT:NONE]
[BOILING_POINT:8000]
[SOLID_DENSITY:1346]
[MAT_FIXED_TEMP:10000]
[IS_STONE]
[STATE_COLOR:GAS:ASH_GRAY]
[STATE_NAME:GAS:coal dust]
[STATE_NAME:GAS:coal dust]
[SYNDROME]
   [SYN_NAME:black lung]          I think you can work this one out.
   [SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]   this syndrome affects all creatures with the general_poison class, ie. most of them.
   [SYN_INHALED]            this syndrome must be inhaled to take effect.
   First stage: shortness of breath, chronic cough
   [CE_IMPAIR_FUNCTION:SEV:25:PROB:100:VASCULAR_ONLY:BP:BY_CATEGORY:LUNG:ALL:START:5:PEAK:900:END:1000]
   [CE_COUGH_BLOOD:SEV:100:PROB:100:RESISTABLE:VASCULAR_ONLY:START:5:PEAK:900:END:1000]
   Second stage: lung dysfunction, arthritis, heart damage, dizziness
   [CE_NECROSIS:SEV:50:PROB:25:BP:BY_CATEGORY:LUNG:ALL:START:1000:PEAK:2000]
   [CE_DIZZINESS:SEV:50:PROB:100:RESISTABLE:START:1000:PEAK:2000]
   [CE_PAIN:SEV:75:PROB:100:BP:BY_TOKEN:LIMB:ALL:START:1000:PEAK:2000]
   [CE_COUGH_BLOOD:SEV:100:PROB:100:RESISTABLE:VASCULAR_ONLY:START:1000:PEAK:2000]
   [CE_IMPAIR_FUNCTION:SEV:80:PROB:100:BP:BY_CATEGORY:HEART:ALL:START:1000:PEAK:2000]
   [CE_IMPAIR_FUNCTION:SEV:80:PROB:100:RESISTABLE:VASCULAR_ONLY:BP:BY_CATEGORY:LUNG:ALL:START:1000:PEAK:2000]

Pretty much what I need is the temperatures for underground I think someone said it was 10087 or something nearish that.

I'm going to have to removed fixed temp, I know that. Anyone have the deadliest form of necrosis laying around? I would prefer to see the affects immediately for testing purposes.

I've stopped playing with the syndromes for so long I've forgotten how to work em...

[Flaede]

Well the way I'm going to be testing it is...

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XXXBXXXBXXX
UUUUUUUUUUU
PPPPPPPPPPPP
UUUUUUUUUUU
XXXBXXXBXXX

X = walls
B = bonfire
U = fortification or channel
P = path for enemies

I'll probably have doors or some sort behind the bonfires so I can "reload them.

above the path +1 z level I'll have hatches with a stone (coal possibly) to drop down and when in the line of heat of the bonfires, it will hopefully boil and do stuff...

We'll see... let me get to work and we'll find out.

I know someone said the temperature for underground was constant, anyone have that number? Also, does heat travel through objects like hatches? Does a creature carrying an object transfer heat?

The margins I'm going to be working with for heat are going to be very small, so I need to be exact...

B have never gotten a creature's body-heat to do anything. but could things resistance to heating up perhaps have something to do with the SPEC_HEAT?

[Shaostoul]

It's not the creatures that I want to ignite.

I believe it's spec heat. If that's the one with how quickly heat transfers from the object.

All I need the bonfires to do, is to heat the objects I'm going to drop down and have them boil/evaporate/whatever.

[Flaede]

It's not the creatures that I want to ignite.

I believe it's spec heat. If that's the one with how quickly heat transfers from the object.

All I need the bonfires to do, is to heat the objects I'm going to drop down and have them boil/evaporate/whatever.

I meant I've never had a creature's body heat ignite an object. Like stuck-in arrows. or a carried flask. Blood should really have a default temp above room temperature.

The wiki used to have some decent info on temperature, but it seems all that is left is this conversion chart.  The entry on SPEC_HEAT shows as deleted completely.

[Shaostoul]

This is what I've got so far...

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[INORGANIC:DEATH_STONE]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:STONE_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:death_stone][DISPLAY_COLOR:0:7:1][TILE:'*']
[SPEC_HEAT:250]
[IGNITE_POINT:10000]
[MELTING_POINT:10000]
[BOILING_POINT:10000]
[SOLID_DENSITY:10000]
[IS_STONE]
[STATE_COLOR:GAS:ASH_GRAY]
[STATE_NAME:GAS:death dust]
[STATE_NAME:GAS:death dust]
[SYNDROME]
   [SYN_NAME:death dust]
   [SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
   [SYN_INHALED][SYN_CONTACT]
   [CE_NECROSIS:SEV:1000:PROB:100:RESISTABLE:START:1000:PEAK:1000:END:100000]
   [CE_PARALYSIS:SEV:1000:PROB:100:RESISTABLE:START:1000:PEAK:1000:END:100000]
   [CE_UNCONSCIOUSNESS:SEV:1000:PROB:100:RESISTABLE:START:1000:PEAK:1000:END:100000]

I still am trying to find out the subterranean temps.

[NRN_R_Sumo1]

It would turn out other people have been playing with this too, and for some time I suppose.
although they've been using magma as a heat source.

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A quick mod I did to prove the concept of viable venom traps. You make a GCS-similar venom in large boulders at the kitchen, then you can stockpile it like other stones.

To "trigger" the trap, run magma on the Z level directly below it, it should heat up just enough to boil off the venom.

Profit.

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Add this to your reaction_other.txt

[REACTION:MAKE_STONEVENOM]
[NAME:make Stonevenom]
[BUILDING:KITCHEN:CUSTOM_R]
[PRODUCT:100:1:STONE:NONE:INORGANIC:STONEVENOM]
[SKILL:COOK]


This to your inorganic_other


[INORGANIC:STONEVENOM]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:STONE_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:frozen Stonevenom]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:LIQUID:Stonevenom]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:GAS:boiling Stonevenom]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:2]
[SPEC_HEAT:8]
[DISPLAY_COLOR:6:0:0]
       [SYNDROME]
           [SYN_NAME:Stonevenom]
           [SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
           [SYN_IMMUNE_CREATURE:SPIDER_CAVE:ALL]
           [SYN_INHALED]
   [SYN_CONTACT]
           [CE_PARALYSIS:SEV:100:PROB:100:START:5:PEAK:1000:END:2000]
[IS_STONE]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:3]
[BOILING_POINT:10099]
[IGNITE_POINT:10099]

And obviously

[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_STONEVENOM]

To your entity default


The point is quite obvious, after some investigation (thanks to peterix's new DFprobe tool) I found out the temperature of tiles beside magma goes up to exactally 10100 Urists, so anything that is solid at 10015 U (standard underground temperature) and boils before 10100 U can be used as a venom-boil trap much similar to those vein-traps in genesis mod and such.

Current issues include:
1: In spite of the venom being inhlaed and the stonevenoms boil profusely when magma runs under them, the contraction of the syndrome is somewhat erratic.
2: The boiling venom can't pass through grates
3: Due to some weirdness on the temperature engine, I couldn't make the venom a liquid that stayed inside barrels, because in such situation it would /never/ boil up, ever, so the venom has to be made in the shape of boulders, and is classfied as one.
4: The stonevenom probably insta-boils if outdoors in scorching map.

[Shaostoul]

Ah that's what I read, but I totally missed the standard underground temperature dealio. I'm going to see if that df probe thing is still around.

-edit-

Alright well I ran into the first problem.. the only places that temperature changes is right on the bonfire and right next to it... it's a hell of a jump though... 10015 for underground temp to 11015 or so for bonfire temp.

All we need to do now is figure out how to make it affect more of an area around it.

[NRN_R_Sumo1]

Ah that's what I read, but I totally missed the standard underground temperature dealio. I'm going to see if that df probe thing is still around.

-edit-

Alright well I ran into the first problem.. the only places that temperature changes is right on the bonfire and right next to it... it's a hell of a jump though... 10015 for underground temp to 11015 or so for bonfire temp.

All we need to do now is figure out how to make it affect more of an area around it.

that would certainly explain how come the ice wouldnt melt for me on my glacier.
Whats the temperature of magma? perhaps if we make a special "Magma heat" setting for fires, it might be able to go through the walls in the same way.