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Author Topic: Things that made you RRRRRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Trust-o-nomics Edition  (Read 2003636 times)

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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Armed and Sleepy Edition
« Reply #33135 on: March 07, 2014, 05:14:46 pm »

Blatantly taking advantage of 12-year-olds.  Huzzah.
"Easily make manga without drawing?" Ick, that pretty much sucks all the fun out of it and defeats the entire purpose of the comic/manga medium in the first place. Just write a book instead.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Armed and Sleepy Edition
« Reply #33136 on: March 07, 2014, 05:15:39 pm »

From what I know about that 3d manga thing it's a sorta... 3d poser that comes with some customizable anime school character models. It's apparently had some dlc and other things and has already existed for a few years, not exactly sure why it's going out on steam now. At the very least It seems to support importing models and objects so maybe using it's engine and using original content would be a reasonably cheap posing program if you wanted to make a 3d rendered webcomic or something. Oddly enough this is something I considered doing off and on with 3D custom girl, which is well... A hentai game with a surpisingly competent poser. The poser being the entire reason I have it installed still (Plus the mod community, tons and tons of stuff).

I personally think it's overpriced but I guess if you wanted to make 3d moe school comics it's alright. I know Owlga reads the hell out of a webcomic on tumblr that's been made with it, though the real draw of THAT one is more the absurd writing than anything. (The guy who writes it has also posted on the steam message boards that you may want to avoid it if you can't import your own assets and don't wanna make schoolgirl moe comics, but if you do that it's fairly solid. So there's also that)

Might be a little questionable, but at least it's not a shovelware mundane sim like United Independent Entertainment keeps shitting onto steam. Or Rambo the Videogame.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Armed and Sleepy Edition
« Reply #33137 on: March 07, 2014, 05:19:49 pm »

So if someone sells something you don't approve of it's "taking advantage of people who are not as smart as me"?

No.  I literally think it's actual false advertising, since they're treating this like a vaguely professional manga development tool rather than something that will get you laughed off the planet if you show up with it.  "Impressive and professional-looking manga" my ass.

People can recognize games made in Game Maker pretty easily, right?  But this is worse, because the people who manufactured it apparently didn't know things like "all manga is black and white."  Or that thought clouds are an American convention, whereas the Japanese convention looks either like this (see middle panel) or in a more modern, shonen style, like this.  Or that those two styles of school uniform would basically never be seen together at the same school, since the male blazer version is more common of fantasy private academies, and the sailor suit look is more common of public middle schools nowadays.  So the correct pairing would be gakuran and sailor fuku, or two blazer-based uniforms.

Oh, and she's wearing a summer uniform, while he's wearing a winter uniform.  Don't even get me started on the crowd scene where his blazer is the only dark blue one with everyone else's teal, because this device has an abysmally bad case of "everyone has the exact same face and haircut."

Oh, and the story they're telling shows that the people who put together the trailer know literally nothing about framing and pacing comics.  Literally.  Nothing.


This is what I'm trying to say: I don't have a problem with people putting their shitty manga makers up on Steam, but MAYBE, just maybe, they'd like to take two minutes doing the things that would make it look like they know ANYTHING about the convention they're supposedly working in.  This is the work of appropriative piece-of-shit jagoffs with no respect for manga and the desire to make a quick buck off of people who are too young and stupid to recognize what's happening.

No, weeaboos are not going to be all over this, because most weeaboos out of elementary school know betterAmerimanga by professional artists is not selling because the fans know that it isn't what they want.  And I'm furious, because these assholes seem to think that we manga fans didn't learn anything about what we were reading, and can't tell the difference between shit made by Americans and Japanese people.  Or that we don't care.

Yes, we can tell that you aren't actually a Japanese artist when you try to sell us "How to Draw Manga" books.  We can tell you got a pen deal with Copic and aren't actually telling us anything about the tools of the trade.  Yes, we can tell that you don't actually know manga conventions very well, or the history, or even who the important writers in the different genres are.  We know you don't know anything about Japanese literary culture or, hell, even plot structuring.


I'm not mad because it's on Steam.  I'm mad because it exists.


would be a reasonably cheap posing program if you wanted to make a 3d rendered webcomic or something.

This is a good point.  If they were selling it from that perspective, I'd be fine with it.  Mostly, I'm just upset because it feels like the final insult in a long string of exploitative products sold by Americans pretending to be Japanese.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Armed and Sleepy Edition
« Reply #33138 on: March 07, 2014, 05:22:48 pm »

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So basically its the still-image version of that animation program that also uses 3D models of anime-style characters. What exactly is the problem here?
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Armed and Sleepy Edition
« Reply #33139 on: March 07, 2014, 05:24:37 pm »

Shhhhhhh. A patrician is asserting his superiority over plebs here.

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« Reply #33140 on: March 07, 2014, 05:27:28 pm »

-snip-
So basically its the still-image version of that animation program that also uses 3D models of anime-style characters. What exactly is the problem here?
The problem is that it can't make manga.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Armed and Sleepy Edition
« Reply #33141 on: March 07, 2014, 05:28:02 pm »

This is a good point.  If they were selling it from that perspective, I'd be fine with it.  Mostly, I'm just upset because it feels like the final insult in a long string of exploitative products sold by Americans pretending to be Japanese.

I'm unsure if you're aware of this Vector but both Comipo (The devs) and Degica (Publisher) are based in Japan.

Edit: Also after looking into the actual software further, it does seem somewhat limited. Meaning if someone is really needing a free/cheap poser you're likely still better off using MMD or 3DCG. So it's still not really good, but at least it's not Mining and Tunneling simulator. (Which features no mining at all)
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Armed and Sleepy Edition
« Reply #33142 on: March 07, 2014, 05:28:32 pm »

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So basically its the still-image version of that animation program that also uses 3D models of anime-style characters. What exactly is the problem here?
False advertisng. It's like that time they found horses in beef in the UK.
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« Reply #33143 on: March 07, 2014, 05:29:28 pm »

So y'all are mad because it doesn't follow a bunch of nazi manga rules :P?
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Armed and Sleepy Edition
« Reply #33144 on: March 07, 2014, 05:30:04 pm »

Totes an aside, but innit there full color manwha out there? Pretty sure I've seen a few. Could argue the korean stuff =/= manga, but s'far as most folks I've encountered are concerned they're effectively the same thing. There's definitely full color one-shot manga running around, though I'm less sure about anything particularly lengthy.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Armed and Sleepy Edition
« Reply #33145 on: March 07, 2014, 05:34:09 pm »

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So basically its the still-image version of that animation program that also uses 3D models of anime-style characters. What exactly is the problem here?
False advertisng. It's like that time they found horses in beef in the UK.
I was so mad that I wasn't getting 100% horse.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Armed and Sleepy Edition
« Reply #33146 on: March 07, 2014, 05:39:49 pm »

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So basically its the still-image version of that animation program that also uses 3D models of anime-style characters. What exactly is the problem here?
False advertisng. It's like that time they found horses in beef in the UK.
I was so mad that I wasn't getting 100% horse.

Some of it was.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Armed and Sleepy Edition
« Reply #33147 on: March 07, 2014, 05:42:25 pm »

Not the stuff I bought. My Griffons were pooping like firehoses.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Armed and Sleepy Edition
« Reply #33148 on: March 07, 2014, 05:55:27 pm »

-snip-
So basically its the still-image version of that animation program that also uses 3D models of anime-style characters. What exactly is the problem here?
False advertisng. It's like that time they found horses in beef in the UK.
I was so mad that I wasn't getting 100% horse.

Some of it was.
As a Brit, I find the whole episode very funny, because the media blew it out of proportion (nothing unusual here) and you 'Murricans likely got only the media version unless you looked into it. Ok, this is what happened:
Horse DNA is found in meat. That's strands of DNA, not actual chunks of meat. All it means is that there is DNA in there, less than 1% meat needs to be horse to find it.
Media catches ahold of it, has a feeding frenzy.
Investigations are launched, everyone sends samples to be tested. Many return positive.
Media reports ALL meat everywhere is horse, more or less. Various snide remarks are made.
Sources traced back to French farms (among many others). The French get flamed a bit.
Scientist expresses concerns about human consumption of steroids fed to horses.
Media reports horse meat is possibly (as in 90%) fatal.
Scientists find out steroid levels in each burger are 1/50 what humans were does 50 years ago with no ill effects.
Media continues to report DEATH and tries to shame supermarkets.
Supermarkets have already pulled products.
End result: Public gets more paranoid, media look like idiots (as usual) and he supermarkets look a little sheepish.
Note: May not be entirely fact. But hey, our media isn't either.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Armed and Sleepy Edition
« Reply #33149 on: March 07, 2014, 05:56:02 pm »

Mind the topic, not the presenter of the topic, folks. We're here to exert rage and vent, not passive-aggressively poke at the person doing so.

Similarly, Apple makes me mad for existing, because it promises to be simpler, more intuitive, sleeker, more powerful, more configurable, but at its base it's a derivative of a Unix operating system, most of which are free, its promises of simplicity may stand until you actually need to operate the machine on a level more advanced than using only the OS's programs that come out of the box, and when there are problems, there's neither documentation, nor solutions, nor trends to the problems or solutions, or workarounds- you typically have to wait for Apple to fix their own material, and that can take weeks. Intuitive? Everything has different context menus. Sleek, powerful? Two-minute-long loading pinwheel montage. Say you want to make your computer more powerful? Can't do that- the things are sealed shut to prevent you from opening them by normal means, and in the most recent versions, the ram is soldered onto the damned motherboard. Configuration on a user level means moving things on the dock and changing your wallpaper. On an enterprise level? Good. Luck.

Apple and everything they stand for is a cash grub towards those who want even basest levels of computer gruntwork done for them and expect you to buy new every two years. To anyone with more than a pandering interest in computers, the devices, OS, and everything around them are stiff and toxic.

By the end of it all, you're paying two or three times as much for an Apple setup over a traditional PC with vague promises of goodness and functionality when its place in business or education is laughable at best, painful at worst.

Call me a technonazi with patrician tendencies if you will, except you won't, because you're familiar with computers and probably hate Apple on a subconscious level propagated through your friends and other people you know, though you'd be hard pressed to point out why given fair examination. Meanwhile, as you're less vested in manga, you can give worse for this program that's quite clearly not going to deliver on a level beyond amateur-with-wallet. It is not a fair evaluation of Vector's anger and the poor response to it makes me angry too.
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