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Author Topic: Things that made you RRRRRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Trust-o-nomics Edition  (Read 2003534 times)

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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #33540 on: March 17, 2014, 10:25:39 am »

Also I just generally dislike the concept of hiding behind religion this way. "It's not me, it's my religion!"

Unwanted indoctrination is pretty much the only excuse along those lines that I'll be sympathetic to.
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« Reply #33541 on: March 17, 2014, 10:27:06 am »

Well, he simply said there shouldn't be adulterers in the Ministry, because that's apparently against their rules.   
Seems kind of logical to me. The part about 'following the basic rules of whatever religion/group/club you're joining', I mean.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #33542 on: March 17, 2014, 10:28:55 am »

Imagine if this line of reasoning was used for say, a KKK member.

"I'm not racist. Just the group I belong to has some racist rules."
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #33543 on: March 17, 2014, 10:29:57 am »

In order to join such an organisation, they would first have to change it's basic laws. Why join something for the purpose of making it something that it isn't?

I'm not christian. I'm agnostic.
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« Reply #33544 on: March 17, 2014, 10:30:55 am »

I'm not sure where you're going with this... all I'm saying is that Dwarfy never actually said he was part of a religion in that post.
Maybe he is, I wouldn't know, but he didn't specify.


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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #33545 on: March 17, 2014, 10:31:22 am »

Imagine if this line of reasoning was used for say, a KKK member.

"I'm not racist. Just the group I belong to has some racist rules."
That's a bit of a stretch. The Church does not exist solely to persecute homosexuals; there are a lot of Christians who aren't anti-homosexual, myself included.
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« Reply #33546 on: March 17, 2014, 10:31:57 am »

I'm not christian. I'm agnostic.
Ah, I see the misunderstanding then.

You're just saying it's reasonable for christian denominations to discriminate since it's in their holy text.

Right-o. No real problem there, though I'd still say those denominations are morally wrong.


Anyway, apologies for the misunderstanding and any false accusations I may have thrown :)

Imagine if this line of reasoning was used for say, a KKK member.

"I'm not racist. Just the group I belong to has some racist rules."
That's a bit of a stretch. The Church does not exist solely to persecute homosexuals; there are a lot of Christians who aren't anti-homosexual, myself included.
You make a fair point, though I will say any member who isn't homophobic would disagree with their church's actions and opinions concerning homosexuality (assuming said church holds such).
« Last Edit: March 17, 2014, 10:35:52 am by kaijyuu »
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #33547 on: March 17, 2014, 10:34:47 am »

In order to join such an organisation, they would first have to change it's basic laws. Why join something for the purpose of making it something that it isn't?

Sometimes the organization as a whole means more to people than one rule they disagree with, so they strive to change that rule to improve the organization. It's called "reform".
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« Reply #33548 on: March 17, 2014, 10:34:50 am »

I'll not say you didn't make me very angry, but apology accepted. Thanks for not going down my throat, Yoink.
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« Reply #33549 on: March 17, 2014, 10:37:26 am »

In order to join such an organization, they would first have to change it's basic laws. Why join something for the purpose of making it something that it isn't?
To... make it better. Or the world better. Or help people. Y'know... stuff like that? And in the case of stuff that's not central to the identity of the organization,* it doesn't really change the organization's core identity any.

*And discrimination against homosexuality is about as core to christianity as stoning people who wear mixed fabrics to death or celibacy among their priesthood.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #33550 on: March 17, 2014, 10:39:50 am »

Haven't been in this thread for a long time, but:

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« Reply #33551 on: March 17, 2014, 10:42:36 am »

I guess it's your choice to prefer your god to your fellow human beings.

If anything, you have it the wrong way around.

If God is omnipotent and omnibenevolent, why does evil exist?

You can draw the conclusion that God does not exist, or that he is capricious/malevolent. Either way, not a faith I'd wish to worship.

In order to join such an organisation, they would first have to change it's basic laws. Why join something for the purpose of making it something that it isn't?

Sometimes the organization as a whole means more to people than one rule they disagree with, so they strive to change that rule to improve the organization. It's called "reform".
In order to join such an organization, they would first have to change it's basic laws. Why join something for the purpose of making it something that it isn't?
To... make it better. Or the world better. Or help people. Y'know... stuff like that? And in the case of stuff that's not central to the identity of the organization,* it doesn't really change the organization's core identity any.

*And discrimination against homosexuality is about as core to christianity as stoning people who wear mixed fabrics to death or celibacy among their priesthood.

So. You would change the basic doctrine of millions of people? You would "Reform" something which is divinely (Supposedly) sent.
You don't understand. Changing scripture is doubting God. A proper, homosexual christian would not try to do that. It is not a matter of discrimination. It is a matter of religion. To deny that religion their (NON HARMING) views on admittance, is discrimination.
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« Reply #33552 on: March 17, 2014, 10:43:21 am »

I'll not say you didn't make me very angry, but apology accepted.
I'm a rather bad judge of people at times. 'Tis one of my many faults :(
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« Reply #33553 on: March 17, 2014, 10:43:33 am »

So yes, when I say that I believe that there should be no gay clergy, it isn't because I hate them. It is because the bible specifically says it is wrong. Ergo, I disagree, it is my right to disagree.

I'm not christian. I'm agnostic.

As an agnostic, I don't think you know what that word means.  Agnosticism by definition implies doubt in the bible, because the bible draws its authority from the existence of god and if you are sure, or even confident of the existence of god you are not an agnostic.

Honestly from what you've said so far I would describe you as a non-denominational Christian.  AKA you believe in the core of Christian beliefs but are not participating in organized religion.

Edit: To be clear, this is a word definition issue.  You can believe in whatever you want, I just disagree with your word choice.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #33554 on: March 17, 2014, 10:45:37 am »

If God is omnipotent and omnibenevolent, why does evil exist?

Because He would rather there was evil and free will than neither evil nor free will.

Edit: if this is going to go on, maybe it should be moved to the old religion thread? I'm entirely fine with it stopping, too.
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