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Author Topic: Things that made you RRRRRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Trust-o-nomics Edition  (Read 2027589 times)

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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #34065 on: March 26, 2014, 01:45:35 pm »

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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #34066 on: March 26, 2014, 01:49:14 pm »

I am being completely serious here, when we invent prosthetics that perform better than organic limbs, I am gonna sell my house and borg the shit out of myself.
And just to illustrate the potential, carbon nanotube muscle-based artificial limbs have been shown to have an effective strength about 130 times higher than the maximum for normal arms and legs. A guy made entirely of CNT muscles will be able to pull off crazy shit a la Metal Gear 4's Raiden with no visible effort.
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« Reply #34067 on: March 26, 2014, 01:50:50 pm »

You're new here, aren't you?

I'm the resident crazy Transhumanist scientist-aspirant with dreams of Brain 2.0, so Hi! :D
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #34068 on: March 26, 2014, 01:52:16 pm »

Yes and I could technically go into a 3D movie with a one sided pair of glasses. Still kinda missing the point when the stereoscopic view is lost on me and I end up with a middling quality monitor with half of it's screen space being utilized strapped to my face.

I think you're forgetting about the 6 degrees of freedom head-tracking...

Though the view might be odd with only one eye, yeah.

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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #34069 on: March 26, 2014, 01:55:19 pm »

The medical tech to actually replace and integrate artificial muscles into someone is way more than 10-20 years away though. We might live long enough for functional equivalents, but not even this generations children are going to see muscle replacement on even a medical prosthetic scale. Let alone improvements. Which may never happen if the health organizations shut it down before it gets off the ground.

Which they honestly really should since if we get into a human improvement stage we're going to split between have and have nots even more.

I think you're forgetting about the 6 degrees of freedom head-tracking...

There's such a thing as TrackIR if I want that. Which I might look into if I ever upgrade to a desktop given how much I enjoy Arma and EUTS2.
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« Reply #34070 on: March 26, 2014, 01:59:53 pm »

You're new here, aren't you?

I'm the resident crazy Transhumanist scientist-aspirant with dreams of Brain 2.0, so Hi! :D

And I'm the one who is hacking my way through college to get a degree to actually work on that >.> [/notserious]
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #34071 on: March 26, 2014, 02:04:09 pm »

I just make things work with either no effort or no idea.

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« Reply #34072 on: March 26, 2014, 02:16:05 pm »

I personally can't support Transhumanism for the reasons Janet mentioned too. When we get to the point we can make a human better, people with the means to better themselves in this new way finally actually become the physical, and shortly after gaining acceptance, social betters of "normal" people. It's going to be a mess if it ever happens.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #34073 on: March 26, 2014, 02:18:54 pm »

I'm more excited to see vat-grown organs cloned from the transplant recipient's DNA. I'd do with a pegleg if I could get replacement viscera on demand.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #34074 on: March 26, 2014, 02:20:48 pm »

The medical tech to actually replace and integrate artificial muscles into someone is way more than 10-20 years away though. We might live long enough for functional equivalents, but not even this generations children are going to see muscle replacement on even a medical prosthetic scale. Let alone improvements. Which may never happen if the health organizations shut it down before it gets off the ground.
As a person currently working on a college project that involves bionic prosthetics (and therefore has to do tons of research on the subject) I think I'll respectfully disagree. There's already a fair handful of projects with bionic prosthetics that involve using mechanical muscles equivalents that respond to brain control out there, and I'd hazard a guess at 30-40 years before they start to become fairly commonplace (which could be beyond your life I guess, but it certainly isn't beyond mine). Actual augmentation (as opposed to just replacing destroyed things) is probably still a fair bit farther than that though.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #34075 on: March 26, 2014, 02:24:10 pm »

I personally can't support Transhumanism for the reasons Janet mentioned too. When we get to the point we can make a human better, people with the means to better themselves in this new way finally actually become the physical, and shortly after gaining acceptance, social betters of "normal" people. It's going to be a mess if it ever happens.
I would like to retort that our society has never been made of similarly physically and mentally capable people and that wealth has always been the defining factor of social disparity and that the difference between a rich man and a poor man has always been so great that making the rich man run faster will not incrrease it.

But yes, that's a very sensitive topic, which requires an entire separate thread to discuss.

As for upgrading humans, americans already have prothetics so advanced that the marines they fit them with compare them favourably with their organic limbs, so who knows what's next?


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« Reply #34076 on: March 26, 2014, 02:26:40 pm »

I wonder if any of us don't love Descan.
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« Reply #34077 on: March 26, 2014, 02:27:19 pm »

That is exactly why I want to be the guy who creates, first immortality, and then augmentation. (Immortality so that I live forever long enough to see the augmentation forever)

I want to at least have the chance of holding the patent on it so that I can make it as cheap and free to everyone as possible. Though I'm not interested in money, so that might be a barrier to my getting into a position of holding the rights...

Ah well. I'm also a socialist-capitalist (give people living-money* while letting the good of capitalism* survive), so I have a dream! I'm allowed to dream, right? D:

*woo negative tax income, it's seriously fucking cheap, 32 billion to give every Canadian under "Basic needs" poverty 20k a year. That's assuming that every canadian in that category makes 0 dollars and that no canadian above that category makes less than 20k, so the numbers might be divergent, but whatever, it's a proof-of-concept.

*Responding to the needs of people and markets and the ability for any person (with starting capital, hence the basic income) to try and help with an idea they had, or start a business of their own, instead of having to ask the government to take up the idea.




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« Reply #34078 on: March 26, 2014, 02:28:00 pm »

As a person currently working on a college project that involves bionic prosthetics (and therefore has to do tons of research on the subject) I think I'll respectfully disagree.

Genuinely curious, do you mean muscle analogs on a prosthetic? Or like replacement of damaged or wounded muscles on an otherwise functioning human body? Since I was mostly referring to the latter. Since I know muscle like fibers and tissues are coming along nicely, just I have no idea if they've gone into the implanting stage and if there's any rejection or integration concerns yet.

Assuming it's okay to clarify of course. I can imagine it might not be in your best interests to.
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« Reply #34079 on: March 26, 2014, 02:35:28 pm »

More like muscle analogs on a prosthetic, though we've briefly touched on the artificial muscles stuff. From what I know about them they are still quite a bit behind muscle analogs, though I do believe they are starting to have the rejection part of the process pretty well neutralized (which is certainly a step forwards). From my limited information I would be willing to bet that it's going to end up with just replacing a missing/damaged part with a completely bionic one before we get to the "grow you a new biological one" stage, though I'd guess that it depends a lot on how the next decade or so goes (and whether or not we see any biological backlash things show up, like when STEM cells first came out).
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