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Author Topic: Things that made you RRRRRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Trust-o-nomics Edition  (Read 2640845 times)

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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Mnt Dew & Circuses Edition
« Reply #35400 on: May 02, 2014, 01:06:30 pm »

Yeeeeah, like I said in the disclaimer, I didn't actually do any research about it before posting. So I'm not surprised something like that popped up.

Thank you, though! I'm glad to hear that. :3

Hey, you thought about it before posting it. That puts you miles ahead of 90% of people on the intarwebz.



I suggest people be careful about this topic, as we have a bad history with it, and Tack's gonna come shout at us if we go on too long. I personally am not going to say anything.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Mnt Dew & Circuses Edition
« Reply #35401 on: May 02, 2014, 01:10:57 pm »

Tell that to Allah/Yahweh, bro. I love me some bacon, and since we got breeds of pig and farming standards that mean your pork won't literally kill you if you don't cook it properly, it's perfectly safe to eat it.

'Course, the Almighty hasn't gotten around to telling his disciples that the problems been solved by us lowly humans and they don't need to worry about offending him with delicious, porky noms. Because they've forgotten (culturally) the REASON it was unclean, and now it's just a rule that God has told them and they gotta follow it, or be punished, because reasons.
That's not the reason why pork is prohibited. Pork was allowed by Christianity and prohibited by Judaism and Islam because pigs require large amounts of water to farm, and Europe has far better water supplies than the Middle East. If you're farming pigs in desert conditions you're taking up all the community's water for your luxury bacon.
The exact reason WHY it's unclean for the Middle East and not in Europe doesn't exactly matter, but instead what matters is that it IS different for the two (simplistic definition of "culture") cultures, and there are more reasonable explanations than "God told the Jews but changed his mind for the Christians, but then went back again for the Muslims".

Truth be told, I always just assumed it was because of pigs being more deadly than cows on average, (i.e. that you have to cook them more evenly and you can't eat their meat raw/under-cooked, which you can't always guarantee it has been cooked properly) and it's only been recently that we got around that. The water resources does make a bit more sense, because it's not like Christians stopped considering the pig unclean only recently. But what about cows? I could have sworn they were considered a clean animal, but I'm pretty sure they take up more resources than piggies, esp. water.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Mnt Dew & Circuses Edition
« Reply #35402 on: May 02, 2014, 01:11:12 pm »

There was a lot of fountains and luxurious gardens in the Middle East in the Middle Ages, though.
(At least, according to my history lessons :v)
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Mnt Dew & Circuses Edition
« Reply #35403 on: May 02, 2014, 01:47:13 pm »

Its pigs tendency to eat everything and lots of it stacks
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Mnt Dew & Circuses Edition
« Reply #35404 on: May 02, 2014, 01:51:34 pm »

This whole week, man, all of it, has been nothing but stressful. I've got my finals week coming up and I'm not ready, I already know which classes I'm going to fail and that if I'm not careful I can fail the rest, and then my family is driving me up a wall too. My brother's being the usual insufferable ass who thinks nobody elses' concerns matter and he pays no heed to anyone's pain, but if you dare insult him or ask anything of him or do anything he doesn't approve of then oh boy you better watch out because he'll throw all the tantrums. All of them, whilst punching you. I shut off the car when we stopped at the post office, and he threw a tantrum about that. His girlfriend is still a stupid, lazy whore who pretty much acts just like him too. Yesterday she caught a hummingbird that flew in the door and couldn't figure out how to get back out and stuffed it in a box with some straw and water and waited for us to get home so we'd take a picture of it, and my brother went and let it out which is exactly what I intended to do anyway, and she threw a fit about it for the rest of the night and we had to sit there and listen to them argue it out while everybody but me got drunk.

Then I sat on a fucking wasp that was in my parents' bed. My ass still hurts. There's wasps fucking everywhere. That shack is seriously too fucking small, and now the county officials are riding our asses because it's legally too small to live in, but there isn't shit we can do because we can't afford to start building an actual house yet. And I still have to sleep in the fucking armchair. I'm really starting to hate that chair.

I feel like a rubber/gel stress penguin thing. Like I'm being squeezed so hard my head is going to explode and whoever's squeezing me at the time is going to lose their arm. I need a penguin to squeeze so bad...
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Mnt Dew & Circuses Edition
« Reply #35405 on: May 02, 2014, 01:55:19 pm »

One of the best explanations I heard for why Jews weren't allowed to do X was because their non-Jewish neighbors did. From being uncircumcised to eating pork to wearing multiple fabric types together, to mixing dairy and meat. By prescribing cultural norms that were counter to the people around them, it helped reinforce an insular Jewish identity as different from those around them. It's also once reason they've resisted assimilation so incredibly well all over the world. (Except in China, because China is The Borg.)
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Mnt Dew & Circuses Edition
« Reply #35406 on: May 02, 2014, 02:51:12 pm »

Also, all the Ten Commandments apply specifically to Jews. Love thy neighbour? Sure, as long as he's a Jew.

Of course, that's not what it means now, merely the original one. Evolving truth, and all that.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Mnt Dew & Circuses Edition
« Reply #35407 on: May 02, 2014, 03:03:58 pm »

Bleh. When the semester is over I'm going to be out of work, hopefully just until next semester, which is probably 2-4 months.

Aside from the fact that my stepdad is going to ride my ass nonstop about it from the second I mention it, I'll need to find something to pay rent and saveup to attend classes at the very college I work at. Most likely my sister could get my a job where she works(hooray, nepotism), but to hear her tell it, it's not that great a job.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Mnt Dew & Circuses Edition
« Reply #35408 on: May 02, 2014, 05:22:12 pm »

As an Orthodoxal Christian, I can say that we consider the Old Testament to be kinda the un-play-tested edition of the word of God, and the New testament to be kinda the errata'd one. Like if the God went "Okay here's a totally cool and practical book, follow it to the letter!" and then his son actually went down to earth and saw that the instructions weren't working at all and went "Look, here's a new version of the Good Book, it has much less vindictive punishment for doing things that aren't really related to your spiritual health, like mixing fabrics, and much more general tips on how to be a totally cool bro and not a jerk, and also note this really big and important part about spiritual development and how it's much more important than anything you can do with your body and how all these rules about having a beautiful transcendent soul explicitly override all those rules about behaviour because those rules about behaviour are only supposed to guide you onto the path of spiritual development and not be the ultimate manual on how to live because that really didn't work last time and and the word of God is really like a good piece of literature and meant to be interpreted and anyway I have to go and die in horrible agony now because my dad still hates you for eating that literally goddamn apple and is only gonna start really loving you after I suffer for each of you on the cross, so bye!"

And then the Jews went "Jesus didn't really come and we still obey the Old Testament!"

And the the Muslims went "Okay this Jesus guy really did come but we are gonna follow these teachings Muhammad gave us which are actually also about love and tolerance and don't focus on abusing women but you won't be able to tell that with at all those fanatics killing each other throughout history, unfortunately."

So yeah.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Mnt Dew & Circuses Edition
« Reply #35409 on: May 02, 2014, 05:30:20 pm »

The Muslims believe Jesus to be a prophet. They believe Muhammad to be a prophet. The set of rules they decided to follow is revealing.

And fair enough to the Jews. Jesus did exist, at least as a human I think, but the part of the bible than details his birth is historically inaccurate, and logically too. There was no consensus.

Also, if Jesus were supposed to be born of the line of David, and that was ensured through his father, how does that work with his mother being a virgin? It tried to conform to the prophesy of Micah, but didn't quite make it logical.

And, given that God is omnipotent and omniscient, he shouldn't need Jesus to edit his work, as before it was written he knew what would go wrong, and should have been able to fix it.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Mnt Dew & Circuses Edition
« Reply #35410 on: May 02, 2014, 05:39:42 pm »

Do remember that He faced continual communication problems even with his most devout followers. There's a good reason they're (we're) often compared to sheep in the texts, the most hard-headed and stubborn of all of the barnyard animals. It's not really any wonder He decided to show up Himself. I ascribe a good deal of problems on our side to human error.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Mnt Dew & Circuses Edition
« Reply #35411 on: May 02, 2014, 05:41:22 pm »

Revealing what, exactly?

And yeah, the Bible isn't really the most historically accurate book. Huge parts were misinterpreted or creatively adapted by translators, and even the original is sometimes very vague.

Edit: Miscommunication with God all the way! Also the humans never really followed God's directives, like how he said that hate is from the Devil and the Catholic church and, hell, the Orthodoxal one too are waging wars of hate on homosexuals.

And we should really stop discussing religion, it's more inflammatory then asbestos dust.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Mnt Dew & Circuses Edition
« Reply #35412 on: May 02, 2014, 05:44:30 pm »

While I can understand your concerns, the larger text looks a lot more un-chill than I think you were trying to put across in your message, and may cause you some problems/escalate the situation more than it has to go.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Mnt Dew & Circuses Edition
« Reply #35413 on: May 02, 2014, 05:46:18 pm »

Thanks for telling me, I was kinda overly involved there. It's now fixed.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Mnt Dew & Circuses Edition
« Reply #35414 on: May 02, 2014, 05:57:44 pm »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Ellison

well that took me 10 seconds of research to find a non-Christian member of US Congress :I

Don't just make claims without any research.
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