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Author Topic: Things that made you RRRRRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Trust-o-nomics Edition  (Read 2013145 times)

Vector

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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #34035 on: March 26, 2014, 01:45:48 am »

on the other hand it's a rather young field which in its early days had very few females.

Wrong.


Yes, it gives those who wouldn't have had an opportunity a chance...and it stunts the growth of those who could really have gone high. And all because they couldn't get their foot in.

Read this.

And this, and this.

And this, though this is relevant too.  Think about the impact of this in the workplace.

Perhaps some of that will help explain this.

Now try reading what you just said again, now that you've gotten a big fat dose of well-sourced science.  It's the privileged folks on the edge of just getting in whose growth is being stunted, and held back from "really going high?"  Are you fucking kidding me?
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #34036 on: March 26, 2014, 01:53:56 am »

Wow that SIRI article makes me rage.

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"If you're looking for an action movie, you might more easily persuade a user if it's a male voice because it's a stereotypically male category of movies,"
said Takayama. "If you're looking at recipes, that might seem more credible from a female voice."

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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #34037 on: March 26, 2014, 02:01:36 am »

I seriously hate how gender differences divide the people. And when I say divide, I mean that its biased towards one gender or the other because of [stupid reasons]. And what characteristics they attribute to such genders as to make one higher over the other!

Wow!

Culture shock, ahoy.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #34039 on: March 26, 2014, 04:44:26 am »

I really seriously wonder where they dig up people that actually judge the competence of a System based on which gender provides the voice.

I mean, I know about discirmination in Workplaces. That stuff happens a ton. But its a MACHINE, why does it MATTER if it has a man or a womans voice? Are you afraid that SIRI will spray stingy liquid in your face as all the other women do, Florence?

From the other side of the retard-spectrum, I just heard an article on the Radio yesterday, about politicians that want to introduce this "female-quota" into businesses. Im not sure yet what I would rage at more, the fact that we reached a point where people can honestly suggest this without the entire court facepalming, or the idea itself.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #34040 on: March 26, 2014, 05:45:53 am »

I seriously hate how gender differences divide the people.
*sighs* same here. I actually had a girl rant at me once when I held the door open for her at a store. Maybe she was just having a really, really bad day, and I was in the wrong place at the wrong time, but she claimed I was being chauvinistic and "perpetuating stereotypes"... I'd hold the door open for anyone, though, and tried to explain that to her, but to no avail. It was a weird experience.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #34041 on: March 26, 2014, 06:10:15 am »

on the other hand it's a rather young field which in its early days had very few females.

Wrong.
Okay, 'early days' was not the right word. But your link actually supports my point:
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In 1967, despite the optimistic tone of Cosmopolitan’s “Computer Girls” article, the programming profession was already becoming masculinized.
Now, this happened in a discriminating way, but when the field started making ridiculous amounts of money it was male-heavy. Meaning that because of events back then today's top earners are more likely to be male. That 50% figure may very well be accurate, but it tells us little about the wage difference between males and females who are just getting into the field.
I don't want to end up next to Max though, so it might be better to drop this ;)

@other discrimination stuff: The same effects pop up in other places. Germany, for example, has a large Turkish population, because many people came from Turkey to work in the German factories in the 60s and 70s. The stereotype goes that they are lower-class and uneducated. Originally, that may have been justified (they were piss-poor immigrants from backwards areas who held the worst positions in the factories, after all), but after 2-3 generations, there's loads of Turkish doctors, tradesmen, lawyers, you name it. Because of the stereotype, however, job applications with a Turkish-sounding name are rejected more often that applications with a German-sounding name, even if the rest is exactly the same. That's why there's discussion about introducing pseudonymized applications, but there's still the interviews...
Now, I ask you: What's the better solution - anonymized applications or a quota for Turkish people?
My point is: People generally let their opinion of an individual be influenced by their opinion of the group the individual belongs to. That's sensible if they know nothing else about them; but if they continue to let that happen even after aquiring better information, that's discrimination. It's kinda like Bayesian statistics...

TL;DR: We're hardwired to act as was described above, and it's not generally a bad thing; it just reflects our perception of society. We must be careful however to not let that way of thinking influence how we deal with individuals.



FAKEEDIT: That article seems... dubious, at least in parts.
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Eager to identify talented individuals to train as computer programmers, employers relied on aptitude tests to make hiring decisions. With their focus on mathematical puzzle-solving, the tests may have favored men, who were more likely to take math classes in school. - See more at: http://gender.stanford.edu/news/2011/researcher-reveals-how-%E2%80%9Ccomputer-geeks%E2%80%9D-replaced-%E2%80%9Ccomputergirls%E2%80%9D#sthash.oJ2Zy1gu.dpuf
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #34043 on: March 26, 2014, 08:25:19 am »

Helgoland, no offense but let me put this in your face that the basis of 'this profession started out as male-dominant' has no correlation at all to how it, and specifically its treatment of who works in said profession, is today.

Or if you disagree, please expound and explain because I can in no way see how that makes sense.
And by that, I mean what characteristics are valued to further that kind of ideal.
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TL;DR: We're hardwired to act as was described above, and it's not generally a bad thing; it just reflects our perception of society. We must be careful however to not let that way of thinking influence how we deal with individuals.
Ignorance is the best barrier we've to overcome to stand on equal grounds. u_u

Or in the least, being open-minded.

Edit: This is relevant to the thread because it makes me RAEG. :I
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #34044 on: March 26, 2014, 10:05:35 am »

Could the gender thing be moved to its own thread? Bay12 is even worse as calmy discussing this than religion, and I'd like to keep this thread unlocked.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #34045 on: March 26, 2014, 10:26:23 am »

I would like to discuss more on Ocular takeover here than Gender inequality in workplace cause that can go on for miles.

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« Reply #34046 on: March 26, 2014, 10:57:37 am »

It is a general fact that facebook-takeovers = bad things?
I'd be a bit optimistic saying that making something for general use is a good thing.
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But I'm also curious if they just bought it over to cut down the competition or whatever rather than let them continue with their original plan (and whether someone proposes buying over your whole company, it is already bought-and not a choice by the company)
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #34047 on: March 26, 2014, 11:12:15 am »

It is a general fact that facebook-takeovers = bad things?
I'd be a bit optimistic saying that making something for general use is a good thing.
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But I'm also curious if they just bought it over to cut down the competition or whatever rather than let them continue with their original plan (and whether someone proposes buying over your whole company, it is already bought-and not a choice by the company)
I noted this before but for most of the Facebook takeovers, the companies are still operating either on the side or being integrated with Facebook services. I think people should just be more cautious on the news before they think Oculus is going to burn down. Facebook hasn't really come out with a good reason on the acquisition but in a general point they will mostly leave them alone and give them more resources.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #34048 on: March 26, 2014, 11:16:08 am »

I just hope it gets rather cheap and doesn't require FB login >_>

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« Reply #34049 on: March 26, 2014, 11:56:14 am »

I just hope it gets rather cheap and doesn't require FB login >_>
If you want cheap VR, you're going to either have to prove its worth mass producing (or something like that), or redefine 'cheap'.
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