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Author Topic: Things that made you RRRRRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Trust-o-nomics Edition  (Read 2111259 times)

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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #34110 on: March 27, 2014, 06:08:06 pm »

I mean culturally/ethnically tbh.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #34111 on: March 27, 2014, 06:18:22 pm »

Oh, okay. Rightyoh. Ye olde lecture, coming up!

British plantation saw a land of tribes. No agriculture, no crops. Essentially savages. The British essentially brought civilization. Initially, the British treated the Irish badly, which is unforgivable. But the Irish never seemed to grasp the concept of future generations having nothing to do with the past.

They all hate the British. Or the Protestants in general. It is frequently heard in Catholic School (Which are essentially indoctrination camps-they must learn Irish, the teachers must be catholic, the pupils must be catholic, and they all get together to hate the British.) something along the lines of "The fing Brits! Gonna send a bomb down der and kill all de prods!" Or something equally inane. Now, I'm not a stupid person (Insert debate here!) But I don't get angry for the sake of my father being angry. I get angry because of actual offense.

Anyway, back to the main point. It is about fifty/fifty Catholic Protestant, with Protestant being the majority by a bit. Of course, a good number of the Catholics are decent. They respect other views. They dislike other catholics, even, but anyway. I'm talking about those that hate the British (Something they're bred to do). They are the bombers. The IRA incarnate (Yes, that group the Americans funded so they could blow up soldiers and "free" Northern Ireland from British rule - with a complete disregard for democracy, of course. But that's Americans for you. Anyway, we're all Northern Irish. We are not Irish. We are, in the case of a lot of catholics, part of the U.K....Protestants say part of Britain.

However, really, the only difference is education. Protestant schools welcome all religions. Catholic ones don't.

They're breeding a social division which needn't exist.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #34112 on: March 27, 2014, 06:23:30 pm »

This lady made some games, educational and sad and maybe not so great as games, necessarily. But the history of Ireland sure is sad, and it makes me wonder how they got the stereotype of being lucky :/
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #34113 on: March 27, 2014, 06:35:15 pm »

I am probably wrong, but I always thought that Russians and Irish are brothers in suffering. The only difference is that the Irish were killed by the British, while we Russians killed ourselves.
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« Reply #34114 on: March 27, 2014, 06:59:43 pm »

Poppy cock. The Irish, it is true, were made second class citizens. This was wrong. They fought, understandably, and that was fine. It ended in a free Ireland, one that had the right, county by county, whether to vote into Britain. They had what they wanted, right? Democracy! No. They now wanted to go against Democracy. They wanted an entirely "Free Ireland" which disregarded democracy. The IRA was up and running, bombing people, killing policemen, statesmen, hell, even royalty. The UVF began its initial glorious ascent (Which soured to crime and became just as bad as what they fought.) So, they became terrorists. The army, trained in fighting, came in. Rounds were released on them, these men pulled back from the front lines.

They get shot at, they damn well shoot back. Unfortunately, it wasn't thought through. "Innocent" bystanders were killed (Innocent in quotations as they harboured the shooters and tried to protect them) in the crossfire. The media did it thing. They gained the heady heights of martyrdom. So, the Irish chose to not fight democratically, but to use the gun and bomb. They killed people in their beds. Not one person I know hasn't lost someone to it. Police men shot in front of their children. A bus, where a catholic was being protected from what the Protestant's thought was a danger to him, was emptied, and the Protestant civilians systematically destroyed.

The bombs are under cars. In your schools. In your homes.

Blown up war memorials.

Flag desecration.

Beheadings.

Executions.

Gangs. Drugs. Hate crime. Politicians murdered.
Bloody hell, if this happened to an American it would be emblazoned across the world. If the Irish did this to the Americans, there would be no Ireland.

It doesn't make me angry, it makes my blood boil that the media has depicted these people as the "good guys". It makes me sick.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #34115 on: March 27, 2014, 07:12:19 pm »

Of course, when the British say shit like "The Irish were savages without agriculture or civilization until we came along, the ungrateful brutes!", then you have a problem.

Seriously. Replace "Irish" with "Africans" or "Natives" and there's not much bloody difference.

And "Breeding social division where none exists", says the bloke who got angry at people for daring calling him Irish, like it was the same lines as calling you a disgusting bug. :I (Yes, I fake-mad at people calling Canadians Americans, but s'all in good fun. We're a small country, on the continent called North America, and we're very similar in a lot of ways while different in a lot of others. SOUND FAMILIAR, COUGH COUGH THE ISLAND IS CALLED IRELAND COUGH COUGH?)

I'm not saying -everything- there is a pack of chauvinistic lies, but seriously, a mindset like that? I wouldn't hesitant to call it "racist", if there was a similar specific term for cultural-racism. "Chauvinistic" isn't quite perfect.
« Last Edit: March 27, 2014, 07:16:37 pm by Descan »
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #34116 on: March 27, 2014, 07:17:04 pm »

Of course the British weren't free of error. No one is in these situations. But let's face it, they were just defending the lives, both catholic and protestant, of those who lived in Britain. Or the U.K., whatever. They slipped on the way, but these were trained soldiers fighting. They didn't like being shot at and acted rashly. They were fighting for a democratic right to be part of Britain. The IRA were fighting for a minority who didn't want to be in Britain.

And seriously Descan, that's just insulting me  :(

I'm going to assume you weren't joking earlier  :(

EDIT: Well, I get the distinct feeling that I shouldn't post anymore. Sorry for insulting you, or whatever I did there, Descan.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #34117 on: March 27, 2014, 07:27:06 pm »

Earlier I was joking because I didn't think you seriously thought the Irish were savages. Now? Not so sure.
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« Reply #34118 on: March 27, 2014, 07:32:37 pm »

This has been one of the most stressful days I have had in a long time. I won't go into details, because it's private, but I was shocked and...taken aback, perhaps I'll say, at what you wrote of me.

Reread what I said. Maybe I am nothing more than a racist, but I'd think I'd know it.
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« Reply #34119 on: March 27, 2014, 07:36:33 pm »

... regardless of if you are or not, what you wrote read like something straight out of the mouth of a massive islamophobe, right down to the parallels involving terrorism. I wouldn't call it something to take personally, just to take note of, and perhaps find a different way of communicating the point you're trying to make if the misunderstanding troubles you.
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« Reply #34120 on: March 27, 2014, 07:37:34 pm »

People are usually unaware of the nonsense they absorb, in particular because people content themselves by saying: "Now, I'm not [...]ist.  If I were [...]ist, I'd be doing [insert worse thing here]."
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« Reply #34121 on: March 27, 2014, 07:40:22 pm »

I'd say you come across as a somewhat... bitter person when it comes to some of your follow island denizens.
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« Reply #34122 on: March 27, 2014, 07:44:20 pm »

Ah. Right.

So you agree with Descan then? Despite me highlighting the need for a better education system that embraces both religions and cultures? Despite me saying that the British were wrong to persecute?

I suppose I always thought of Bay12 as a sort of haven where you could post and people would support you. If not your view, at least in not showing derision.

"Nonsense they absorb," these are still my views.

And yes, I'm bitter. My family has been killed and my culture spat upon. My mother nearly got killed in an IRA bomb. My uncle was killed. But I understand the need for progression. Hence the desire for there not to be separate catholic schools.
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« Reply #34123 on: March 27, 2014, 07:47:53 pm »

Earlier I was joking because I didn't think you seriously thought the Irish were savages. Now? Not so sure.


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He's said that it wasn't the irish he disliked. It was the terrorist group that planted bombs and murdered people. You can't say this shit didn't happen, because it did - bombs and kidnapping were their calling cards. And it still hasn't stopped. Even now, they find bombs, men are shot down in the streets because they're policemen.

The majority of Northern Irelanders want to be british. The IRA disagreed, so they planted bombs and murdered people. That is fact. That isn't the 'Irish being savages' or whatever you think he's saying. Is the work of good people to plant explosives in shopping centres? If you can work out the answer to that you can see why to call the IRA 'heroes' is laughable.

I get ya, DwArfy, even if they want to typecast you as a racist :/
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« Reply #34124 on: March 27, 2014, 07:49:46 pm »

Hence the desire for there not to be separate catholic schools.
You do realize that that's just water on their mills, don't you?
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