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Author Topic: Things that made you RRRRRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Trust-o-nomics Edition  (Read 2101613 times)

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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #34125 on: March 27, 2014, 07:56:44 pm »

He's said that it wasn't the irish he disliked.
I, uh. I think this may be the problem, because I didn't actually see TD1 say that. It's entirely possible I missed that bit, or aren't fully understanding some of the cultural/lingual nuance in D's statements.

I don't think anyone would disagree the IRA were by and large stereotypical terrorist scum, but there's a problem when you equate Irish to IRA, as part of the same statements that deny there are any Irish in Ireland. That's... actually the sort of thing that would set folks around here off. It's what set Desc off, I believe.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #34126 on: March 27, 2014, 07:57:24 pm »

British plantation saw a land of tribes. No agriculture, no crops. Essentially savages. The British essentially brought civilization. Initially, the British treated the Irish badly, which is unforgivable. But the Irish never seemed to grasp the concept of future generations having nothing to do with the past.
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They're breeding a social division which needn't exist.
Gilgamesh, those were the things I was talking about. I'm not a fan of terrorists, so I have nothing against him hating the IRA, but typecasting the entire Irish culture as "savages before the British came"...

Edit: Yeah, Frump gets it.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #34127 on: March 27, 2014, 08:28:11 pm »

Just saw this from a friend, so I'm gonna rage like a berserker with some junk I've had pent up...

I've got this "friend" of mine who I had strong feelings for and I asked her out, and I ended up getting rejected because she wasn't looking for a relationship. No big deal, but to be a good friend (because at the time, she was very kind to me and probably one of my best friends at the time) I bought her flowers for valentines day, just to be nice (yellow roses to show friendship). Due to delivery charges with her living a town away and the skewing of prices for the flowers, I spent over 100$ on a bouquet for her. She received it, and me being shy and having zero confidence, I didn't attach a name to it. A friend told me I should tell her it was me so that this other guy, who was also after her and she declined as well, wouldn't take the credit.

I told her, and it all went downhill from here. First, she didn't say thank you for the flowers, she merely said "you're a friend and that's all you'll ever be". First, I never said it was because I wanted to get with her, secondly, I said it was a friendly gesture. So after that, she ignores me, and I thought "maybe its just awkward for her". But when she DID start talking to me, it was always for favors and giving her stuff. Never a thank you for any of them either. The best part was at one point, I was holding on to something for her, and I told her via text I had some cards (magic: the gathering players) a friend was giving her that he hut off to me so she can get them and she acknowledged me. March break passes, and not a peep from her save two days before the break ended where she needed me again for something (apparently I was marked as the parent for her Wii-U). The guy who gave me the cards to pass on gets pissed at me saying it was my fault that she didn't get them, and says she said she had no idea I had them. I realized now that she's pulling the bitch card now, and when I sent him proof (aka my text and her acknowledgement in a picture) he said I faked it because the line before says we hadn't spoken in weeks. Are you seriously that fucking stupid!?

So I try and avoid them all because during a D&D game, I played out my evil character and killed another PC who not only threatened but actually beat up my character, and everyone got mad at me and literally avoided any contact with my new character (since the killer was sent away because the DM took over him). I know roleplay-wise they are more wary, but when you completely ignore a guy you run into, that's ridiculous! Regardless, I avoided them and that girl I spoke of previously since they all hang out in the same place on top of avoiding another guy who is literally trying to get me kicked out by getting me mad enough that I kick the shit out of him. So I go with some old friends, and I have a good time for a few days... And I have no idea what I did, but they tell me never to come back where they hang out or one of their friends will kill me. I drop one group to avoid drama and hate and WHAM! Get shot into ANOTHER group!

So now I'm at a dilemma of two options: do I face the group of people who hate me and want nothing to do with me, or deal with a guy who everyone says will LITERALLY bash my skull in? It gets me even more angry just thinking about how much bullshit I put up with... And another rage moment, because I'm on a roll, my Xbox will not update, connect to my internet and I just bought battlefield 4 before I realized that my Xbox live account was deleted and Microsoft WILL NOT give me any compensation EVEN WITH PROOF VIA PHOTOS. I swear, either my life is a fucking joke or gods love shitting on me...

Sincerest apologies for the rage, but it feels good to vent into writing...
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #34128 on: March 27, 2014, 08:44:04 pm »

While nobody has the right to say that you are unjustified in your hate of IRA, I believe many people are not mollified by how you make parralells between those terrorist bastards and the general Irish populace.

Please, Dwarfy, don't equate Irish with the IRA. The IRA is an occupation, while Irish is an ethnicity, and those two have absolutely nothing in common. We have Irish here in Russia, which is pretty far from where they originate, so methinks you'd have quite a few more of them in Northern Ireland, and the absolute majority of them, I am sure, are not terrorists. The only thing they share are progenitors, and I am sure you agree it's silly to think that people are defined by their long-dead great-great-great grandfathers.

And if you referred to nationality with your rant about "Irish", my argument remains the same. Every country and nation has a bunch of radical idiots who think that killing people will somehow promote Great Justice, and while there is correlation, there is absolutely no causation between the number of those idiots and their nationality. We have people like that in Chechnya, but it's not because they're Chechen, it's because of their misplaced, vitriolic nationalism. If you take a Chechen man, or an Irish man, and raise him, for example, in America, he is almost certain to never shoot anyone in his entire life (barring game animals, of course).

So yeah. Please don't hate Irish. They are not IRA.
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« Reply #34129 on: March 27, 2014, 10:35:26 pm »

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Firstly, roleplay melodrama seems to basically be an endemic issue to roleplay groups. I think it's because it tends to draw together groups of people who are not great at dealing with things like interpersonal issues.
Bad communication and drama seems to be inevitable.

Secondly, I know you just wanted to show affection and all, but the flowers thing seriously looks bad from my perspective.
I mean I know that it's usually depicted as kind of a romantic thing in movies, but in real life anonymous gifts of affections tend to be really creepy. Then you apparently came forward and took credit so someone else couldn't... and seemed to expect thanks in return? Which sort of has bad undertones for how you're approaching the situation.

I don't know, I never feel like I have enough information to make solid judgements about these situations. It's just my 2 cents.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #34130 on: March 27, 2014, 10:39:33 pm »

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Secondly, I know you just wanted to show affection and all, but the flowers thing seriously looks bad from my perspective.
I mean I know that it's usually depicted as kind of a romantic thing in movies, but in real life anonymous gifts of affections tend to be really creepy. Then you apparently came forward and took credit so someone else couldn't... and seemed to expect thanks in return? Which sort of has bad undertones for how you're approaching the situation.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #34131 on: March 27, 2014, 10:57:03 pm »

Yeah, but unless they happen to know something about the symbology of flowers, I don't think most people are going to get that off hand. And he was also insistent that she knew they were totally not someone else's friendship flowers, so there may be some latent feelings there not being addressed.



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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #34132 on: March 28, 2014, 09:05:11 am »

Just processed an video on youtube and its turned out to only be an 2 seconds recording, time to get back in video editor and process it once more...
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Bloody hell, DONT CRASH NOW, we are just half way done ARRRRGGG
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Reflex Edition
« Reply #34133 on: March 28, 2014, 09:33:21 am »

Stupid compulsory car insurance. If the government wants to force me to have something, they should pay for it.
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« Reply #34134 on: March 28, 2014, 09:40:34 am »

Isn't car insurance mostly intended to pay for the damage you do to other people's cars?
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« Reply #34135 on: March 28, 2014, 09:42:20 am »

Yep. Then again, the state minimum insurance (which is what I'm getting,) is costing me $90/mo and doesn't really pay for much of anything.
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« Reply #34136 on: March 28, 2014, 09:59:50 am »

I pay 70 for double the protection required

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« Reply #34137 on: March 28, 2014, 11:37:17 am »

Yep. Then again, the state minimum insurance (which is what I'm getting,) is costing me $90/mo and doesn't really pay for much of anything.
Then get one with a better value! Mandatory insurance may be annoying, but it sure as hell is necessary - just look at the US healthcare system (pre-Obama mostly, but even today) and its European counterparts.
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« Reply #34138 on: March 28, 2014, 12:05:55 pm »

I, uh, think with MZ the problem with that would be better value == bigger cost, with the 90/m already likely putting more strain on the budget than desirable.

Gods know I'm not looking forward to when family stops helping me out with that bit. 90 bucks a month is basically my entire food budget, and I wouldn't be terribly surprised if it's more expensive in my area.
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« Reply #34139 on: March 28, 2014, 12:10:21 pm »

I wasn't aware that I made correlations between Irish in general and the IRA? I think I did mention the catholic school children who are essentially indoctrinated, and that is true. They do say that type of stuff. "Bomb the brits,"  etc. I never said there was a connection between such talk and actually doing it. In fact, I even said that I knew catholics who weren't like that. I made a distinction. Of course, this being the Rage thread, I did show my anger. That's because I am angry. I'm not unreasonable, though. I understand the difference between a terrorist and a civilian. I know my culture has no right to be above any other culture. I just don't like it when my culture is attacked.

Of course, when the British say shit like "The Irish were savages without agriculture or civilization until we came along, the ungrateful brutes!", then you have a problem.

Seriously. Replace "Irish" with "Africans" or "Natives" and there's not much bloody difference.

And "Breeding social division where none exists", says the bloke who got angry at people for daring calling him Irish, like it was the same lines as calling you a disgusting bug. :I (Yes, I fake-mad at people calling Canadians Americans, but s'all in good fun. We're a small country, on the continent called North America, and we're very similar in a lot of ways while different in a lot of others. SOUND FAMILIAR, COUGH COUGH THE ISLAND IS CALLED IRELAND COUGH COUGH?)

I'm not saying -everything- there is a pack of chauvinistic lies, but seriously, a mindset like that? I wouldn't hesitant to call it "racist", if there was a similar specific term for cultural-racism. "Chauvinistic" isn't quite perfect.

One, I did say that the Irish weren't developed. That is brute fact. The British brought farming, industry and other trappings of a successful country. I never called anyone "Ungrateful brutes." I just said it for chronological order. I did not mention an opinion. In fact, shortly after that I said the Irish being persecuted after this (Or something along those lines) was wrong, and that there is no distinction made between historical violence and modern culture. Again, this is true. Who amongst you would say there is no bias against the British in terms of colonies and foreign acquisitions? The fact that Britain is different now is barely taken into consideration, at least here.

Two, I didn't get mad at being called Irish. I wasn't even called Irish by anyone. I said it in a half-joking way (The "Hurt you" bit) and in a serious way (Whereby I meant that I'm not Irish, but still a lot of people in other countries persist in saying I am, despite what I say. Perhaps personal experience honed my tone into something affronting. It wasn't intended to be. Think of the Canada/America thing. If someone rudely persisted in calling you American, despite numerous attempts to correct them, would you be happy?

Third, I don't like your tone. Regardless of personal opinion, don't talk to people like that. I wouldn't do it to you, please extend me the same courtesy.

And I see now that the whole "there are no Irish in Northern Ireland" thing could be seen as inflammatory, but really, what I meant was that we aren't Irish as a country. The country is technically defined as part of the U.K. But really, if that's the only thing I've said wrong, it is a small thing and not deserving of being called a racist. I'm the last person to be racist. I believe upon equality. Things should be determined on  character and merit, not religion, ethnicity or creed. No where did I say "Drive the Irish out!" My bone was with terminology, the IRA and education. Not people. Sounds like I didn't express this well, but it is the rage thread.

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