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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: You Just Don't Get It Edition
« Reply #34530 on: April 09, 2014, 11:51:54 am »

Ah, I was wondering when biological essentialism would rear its head. There are a couple fundamental issues with that view.

First, it's a massive generalization, to an outright painful degree, and not even really rooted in good science. A substantial part of the division of labor along gendered lines is fundamentally a social construct, and the bits that aren't are less than relevant to a society with even simple machines. Second, though people arguing for it like to put it in terms of the "men strong, women limber" stereotypes, this is the exact same sort of argument that's been used for centuries to relegate women to homemaking and child care. Hell, less than half a century ago an attorney trying to get elected as a DA ran campaign ads suggesting that his (female) opponent was too nice to be a good DA. It's the exact same reasoning that was used to deny suffrage and employment in business, law, etc. to women, on the grounds of them being naturally suited to other things.

tl;dr: biological essentialism is bullshit used to perpetuate repressive social norms.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: You Just Don't Get It Edition
« Reply #34531 on: April 09, 2014, 11:57:37 am »

How did you get "Repressive" from what I said?

And I'm afraid it is a brute fact. Women and men are different. Do you want me to run through the difference between a man's anatomy and a woman's anatomy? Would you say a cow and a bull are the same? Would you say that women tend to be as tall as, as strong as, men?

There are differences.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: You Just Don't Get It Edition
« Reply #34532 on: April 09, 2014, 12:26:18 pm »

The differences between "average man" and "average woman" are nothing compared to the range within the genders you can get. There's no reason to take gender as any indicator of anything.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: You Just Don't Get It Edition
« Reply #34533 on: April 09, 2014, 12:26:40 pm »

Is the average man stronger than the average woman? Probably.

But why is this so? An inherent psychiological difference or merely the fact that men are more socially pressured to be ripped than woman, who are supposed to be thin and fragile?
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: You Just Don't Get It Edition
« Reply #34534 on: April 09, 2014, 12:28:20 pm »

Is the average man stronger than the average woman? Probably.

But why is this so? An inherent psychiological difference or merely the fact that men are more socially pressured to be ripped than woman, who are supposed to be thin and fragile?
I'd tend to go down the evolution road. Women stayed behind, had children. Men went out, and if they weren't strong they died.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: You Just Don't Get It Edition
« Reply #34535 on: April 09, 2014, 12:35:25 pm »

Research: What happens at puberty.

I dislike how you state exacts. 'Supposed'?
Really now.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: You Just Don't Get It Edition
« Reply #34536 on: April 09, 2014, 12:39:21 pm »

Guys, seriously. This debate has been going on for several pages now, and I'd rather it be in its own thread. Otherwise it will drag on forever here until it eventually gets moderated.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: You Just Don't Get It Edition
« Reply #34537 on: April 09, 2014, 01:16:40 pm »

Yes, let's move that discussion to a dedicated thread.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: You Just Don't Get It Edition
« Reply #34538 on: April 09, 2014, 01:19:30 pm »

I'll make it.

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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: You Just Don't Get It Edition
« Reply #34539 on: April 09, 2014, 01:33:11 pm »

Beards vs. Boobs: Bay12 feminism thread.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: You Just Don't Get It Edition
« Reply #34540 on: April 09, 2014, 01:39:10 pm »

Women don't grow beards?

When did that happen!? :P

More to the point, Men don't have boobs????

Gosh darn it!
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: You Just Don't Get It Edition
« Reply #34541 on: April 09, 2014, 01:43:23 pm »

But why is this so? An inherent psychiological difference or merely the fact that men are more socially pressured to be ripped than woman, who are supposed to be thin and fragile?
It's all the biology m8y

If you've got more testosterone, you'll get more ripped.

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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: You Just Don't Get It Edition
« Reply #34542 on: April 09, 2014, 01:49:15 pm »

Solution: pump women full of testosterone!

Problem solved!
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: You Just Don't Get It Edition
« Reply #34543 on: April 09, 2014, 01:51:25 pm »

Solution: pump women full of testosterone!

Problem solved!

That actually happened.
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Re: Things that made you RRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: You Just Don't Get It Edition
« Reply #34544 on: April 09, 2014, 02:16:06 pm »

Solution: pump women full of testosterone!

Problem solved!

That actually happened.

The result was called Transgender.
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