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[Footkerchief]

^^^

Spoiler: fixed those quotes for you (click to show/hide)

Snarky comments that are basically "oh yeah Toady isn't doing this and doesn't listen to people but in my game" and "I have a puppy instead", which while maintaining a polite tone, is quiet, calculating character assassination against Toady - who does in fact listen and has listened to us. Do some of you not see it as such, backstabbing?

Oh, so you're a crazy person then. I'd go get that checked out, they have medication for people that see threats where there aren't any.

Yeah don't worry, I'll implement tileset support, not "replace the font with sprites and hope for the best".

He's describing exactly what Toady (I'd hope) is planning on. He's just saying he'll use a different source for text graphics and character graphics.

No worries, I know what happens when you want to put in everything possible in your game, it just turns into an enormous pile of half-done and half-planned features. I'm doing my best to keep things in focus, and work on the things that really matter playability-wise. Especially now that people are interested in GC I'm working to get a playable version out, but I also don't want to release anything too unfinished. Also before anyone says it, I'm not rushing things and coding poorly just to get something out the door.

Any programmer worth his salt will tell you the same thing. I'd like to point out that DF is filled with a ton of half finished and half planned features. It's still fun, but that's the truth.

I'm doing my best to get a version out for people to try, feedback is really important. Of course I have my own vision for what I want, but I also want to hear peoples ideas. For example some dude on the bay12 forums mentioned someone else's UI idea that had a scrolling announcements box, so I just implemented that 5 minutes ago. It's a better idea than just seeing one at a time, and I don't know why I didn't think of it too. Just goes to show that sometimes listening to others is a good idea.

So, saying that he's learned listening to people is a good thing sometimes is bad? Again, he's not saying that Toady doesn't-in fact, Toady keeps a pretty clear line of communication with his fans-so maybe you're projecting?

It'd be a project in itself to make some kind of overlay utility for DF, I really don't see any point. DF really needs a lot more than just some utilities.

Way to quote out of context, he's just saying that he wouldn't be able to port his UI directly into DF without having access to the source. Again, common sense.

Funny you should mention both of these things. I have items / constructions / creatures defined in XML files exactly for the ease of modification and addition, and I also have pathfinding done in it's own thread to use multiple cores, which most people have these days.

PEOPLE WERE ASKING HIM HOW IT WAS CODED. THIS IS AN ANSWER TO A QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED.

I'm making a similar game to DF. DF doesn't have "blahblahblah" but my game does. I'll never mention Toady by name but I'm doing all these things a competent coder does unlike veiled reference to DF is-too-hard hurf-durf crowd complaint.

So... saying he does things like a competent coder is an attack on Toady to you?

Wow, with fans like you, he doesn't need trolls. (Also one of the common complaints at SA is that behind the bugs the game is too easy.)

I can't recall any English saying that goes for this but we have a nice one here in Czech Republic: "If you really want to beat the dog, you'll always find a stick".

I'll have to remember that.

Foot: How do you say I'm making up quotes? That's what he said. Like I said, other people can decide.

"oh yeah Toady isn't doing this and doesn't listen to people but in my game"

DF doesn't have "blahblahblah" but my game  does. I'll never mention Toady by name but I'm doing all these things a  competent coder does unlike veiled reference to DF is-too-hard hurf-durf crowd complaint.

[systema]

I can't recall any English saying that goes for this but we have a nice one here in Czech Republic: "If you really want to beat the dog, you'll always find a stick".

thats pretty good I'll have to remember that.
fits brilliantly

[redhalo]

"oh yeah Toady isn't doing this and doesn't listen to people but in my game"

DF doesn't have "blahblahblah" but my game  does. I'll never mention Toady by name but I'm doing all these things a  competent coder does unlike veiled reference to DF is-too-hard hurf-durf crowd complaint.

Even if these were true quotes, would they be untrue statements? Ayroc's just saying that what he wants in his game is a different direction than Toady's. Please explain in your own words an example of how he should express that idea in a way that doesn't offend you.

[Firehound]

Not to be the odd one out, but good luck to him... I feel he will miss some of the crazy shenanigans of DF with his game, but I hope he does well enough.

[KaelGotDwarves]

What's really funny is seeing all the SA crowd get so worked up in defense over their "savior" as they complain about Toady sycophants here. We'll see where Aryoc really intends to go with this. I'm willing to admit I'm wrong.

That's how I see it. Well, we'll see where it goes in time.

[Rafal99]

Well he doesn't like some things in DF, so he wants to make them differently in his game, in a way that he think is better. Everyone has his own vision of how X could be done better. Nothing wrong in talking about your own vision.

[Beran Senae]

I'm willing to admit I'm wrong.

Prove it. 2 out of the 4 posts above yours on this page were people calling you out on the most obvious way you were wrong, will you admit it?

[KaelGotDwarves]

I'm willing to admit I'm wrong.

Prove it. 2 out of the 4 posts above yours on this page were people calling you out on the most obvious way you were wrong, will you admit it?

Aryoc hasn't proven to me that he's not just some other sucker looking to ride DF's popularity while making veiled disparaging comments about the game and it's creator.

Like I said, if he proves me wrong then I'll admit it. But that requires a statement from him and proof through his work and dedication to his game.

That'll take time.

Also, the SA thread is hilariously cute.

[Footkerchief]

Well he doesn't like some things in DF, so he wants to make them differently in his game, in a way that he think is better. Everyone has his own vision of how X could be done better. Nothing wrong in talking about your own vision.

If it turns out good, that's cool.  Right now, though, my main hope for this project is that it'll provide Toady with some healthy competition, and help him realize that maintaining a usable UI is worth it.

[redhalo]

"oh yeah Toady isn't doing this and doesn't listen to people but in my game"

DF doesn't have "blahblahblah" but my game  does. I'll never mention Toady by name but I'm doing all these things a  competent coder does unlike veiled reference to DF is-too-hard hurf-durf crowd complaint.

Even if these were true quotes, would they be untrue statements? Ayroc's just saying that what he wants in his game is a different direction than Toady's. Please explain in your own words an example of how he should express that idea in a way that doesn't offend you.

KaelGotDwarves: Are you avoiding a valid request?

[Footkerchief]

KaelGotDwarves: Are you avoiding a valid request?

This "Say uncle!" nonsense is uncalled for.

[jvempire]

I'm willing to admit I'm wrong.

Prove it. 2 out of the 4 posts above yours on this page were people calling you out on the most obvious way you were wrong, will you admit it?

Aryoc hasn't proven to me that he's not just some other sucker looking to ride DF's popularity while making veiled disparaging comments about the game and it's creator.

Like I said, if he proves me wrong then I'll admit it. But that requires a statement from him and proof through his work and dedication to his game.

That'll take time.

He doesn't have to prove anyone and you don't need to blow this out of proportions. It's a game idea inspired by DF, and he set off to do it. This will not "run Toady out of business", because people can like two games of the same "genre" at the same time.

[KaelGotDwarves]

KaelGotDwarves: Are you avoiding a valid request?

Are we in agreement that you can make criticism of a game without the thinly disguised "I'm making a panacea to solve all your problems (unlike that guy), here play my game".

See what I posted about Impaler. Same shit, different person.

I posted it even before the question was asked.

Like I mentioned earlier. I'm not offended, the whole thing strikes me as impotent e-penis screaming "Look at my game! It's just like DF but it'll be better, I promise!"

That's just my opinion and no way related to anyone else or the collected view of this forum. Happy?

Are you going to keep hounding me over my personal opinion? I guess that's normal to do that to strangers on the internet nowadays.

Anyhow, I'm out of this thread, because my presence/opinion raises butthurt.

[Mfbrew]

If you don't see the passive aggressive jabs at DF in Ayroc's posts, then you really need to get out more.

However, we can't be sure whether it's calculated or just some kid basking in his 15 minutes of fame and telling people what they want to hear.  The "refutations" of the quotes Kael found tend to paint a picture of bitter people on the other forum being like "tell us how your game is gonna be better than DF!" and ayroc is gleefully spooning them the sugar.

We may be jumping the gun by getting angry at the guy, but it's a natural response given the situation.

I think the real problem is neither him nor the DF fanboys, but all the folks jumping in with completely irrelevant comments in an attempt to be impartial peacemakers.

[Jiri Petru]

If it turns out good, that's cool.  Right now, though, my main hope for this project is that it'll provide Toady with some healthy competition, and help him realize that maintaining a usable UI is worth it.

My main hope is he might actually create a game Toady would enjoy playing. That would be the most awesome gift and tribute to Toady One, I think.