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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #1455 on: October 21, 2010, 12:00:36 am »

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When the economy/site resources go in, are we going to see more logical equipment for guards, invaders, and the like? Also, how well is the game going to handle in modded-in materials and the like?

You mean stuff they could reasonably afford or some other bug?  Or you mean equipment based on more AI and siege planning?  I'm not sure what angle you meant by more logical. [...]

Sorry for not being specific. I'll elaborate a bit. [...]

I think once the caravans are moving around, the guards'll start to be equipped more consistently.  If site resources are in before the invaders move around, that'll likely be the case for them as well, including the thieves.  So perhaps November/December, depending on how much production and supply/demand is working.  Ideally if I work on caravans and site resources for a few weeks in November, there will be enough information sitting around, but it's hard to know exactly how much that's going to blow up until I try it.

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Can natural skills be trained further or are they static?
Most likely depends on whether the creature has CAN_LEARN, just like the current skills.

Yeah, that's how it works.  I imagine adventurers and starting dwarves might end up shafted by their overriding profiles, but I'm not sure, since I haven't tried natural skills on any civ critters.

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Could you elaborate a bit on what a labyrinth is? Is it a natural element of a cavern that minotaurs gravitate toward, something created by the minotaur, or an abandoned structure created by a civilization?
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God behavior is supposed to eventually be procedurally generated. Having them always punish an entire race of beings sort of detracts pretty significantly from that. Also, in Greek myth, the Minotaur was put in the labyrinth by Minos and Daedalus. Though Minos was a demigod, his measure of divinity was not related to the imprisonment, he was merely Daedalus' patron.
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What type of labyrinth generator are you using? Will it be a true labyrinth (just a single path, typically boring), or actually a maze? There are circular maze types that look like labyrinths at first, after all...

How will labyrinths interact with rural sprawl? Will there be farms directly surrounding the labyrinth walls, or will there be a "protected" area around it where humans just won't go near willingly?  How large?  Night Creature lairs in general might be a good way of keeping sprawl down, especially if they keep normal civs away, but don't prevent embarking in DF mode... maybe using the underground fog of war system to cover their territory up.

Right now, a labyrinth is something created by the minotaur.  Ideally, the mythological method would be possible, but that requires lots of things we don't have yet, so we just hand-waved them in.

It is modeled on the Labyrinth, which is a maze, rather than a labyrinth, as far as I understand how the terms have been tortured over time, he he he.  So yeah, you can get lost, though in the case of ones that span Z levels we have stayed well away from the horror possible.  A 40x40x4 maze unconstrained was too much, maybe more like it should be from the myth where you have trouble escaping even when you aren't being devoured, so we are a little soft on the z level changes.  I let the 2 level ones float freely in some percentage of the maps, since that isn't so bad to figure out in practice.

The labyrinths are all underground and moreover outside of the village limits to avoid the irritation.  They can be close, but not within the fields themselves.

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Will the reimplementation of shops mean races in sites other than cities will build them, or is it only a return to the previous behavior?  Will humanoid (semi-)megabeasts like giants and cyclopes have equipment naturally, or only if they steal it?

We're still stuck with the previous behavior overall with some tweaks.  Setting up the other civs will be involved enough that there might have to be entire releases devoted to it, as with the human villages.  Right now all equipment is taken in some way or another, so they don't actually build anything (although the tools are a bit hacky that way).  We were going to do a bit more with giants and cyclopes but, I doubt we'll get there before it's time to put it up.
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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #1456 on: October 21, 2010, 02:27:36 am »

I have a metaphorical boner when I read all this stuff about night creatures and minotaurs and shit. :DDDD
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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #1457 on: October 21, 2010, 05:33:48 am »

Awww! So no chance of stumbling apon Rediculously large, unsolvable mazes? Still, a 2 level maze would still be ok.. Looking forward to getting lost.

When you say based on the labrynth, does that mean there are moving walls and and critters around the place or is it just going to be the minotaurs lair, like a giants cave?
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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #1458 on: October 21, 2010, 05:41:31 am »

They can be 4 or 5 deep, but it's just not insanely insanely windy up and down when it does that.  It was traumatizing to test.

Unlike the goblin snatchers, I meant it was based on the Greek Labyrinth rather than Labyrinth the movie, so nobody will be moving floor tiles after you mark them with lipstick and there won't be weird creatures that throw their heads and stuff.
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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #1459 on: October 21, 2010, 07:15:14 am »

No David Bowie?! Well I'll not have that I won't!
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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #1460 on: October 21, 2010, 08:39:20 am »

You could mod David Bowie to exist in the game, if you wanted. Nothing stopping you.
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« Reply #1461 on: October 21, 2010, 08:42:52 am »

You could mod David Bowie to exist in the game, if you wanted. Nothing stopping you.

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« Reply #1462 on: October 21, 2010, 08:48:20 am »

So minotaurs will use the weapons of their victims. Can they use shields and armors, provided they are of the right size? Other creatures will have this ability? Is it in the raws?
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« Reply #1463 on: October 21, 2010, 10:36:40 am »

You could mod David Bowie to exist in the game, if you wanted. Nothing stopping you.
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« Reply #1464 on: October 21, 2010, 02:06:35 pm »

Ok I guess I have a question

Toady with the possible Mythology generator is there a chance that your long list if questions (why are we here, what are dreams) could also be fed into it so the answer could differ world to world with possible real game implications? (for example how Gods revere human beings). Will we ever see such world spanning randomisation?
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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #1465 on: October 21, 2010, 04:01:48 pm »

The starting skill values are awesome!  Is there any chance that in this version or an upcoming one, skills-per-race could be expanded further in the raws, like, goblin 'high master dodger' is better than dwarf 'high master dodger', or goblins learn dodge faster than dwarves, or some other way to represent that humans are better than dwarves at farming while dwarves are better at mining?
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« Reply #1466 on: October 21, 2010, 04:56:37 pm »

The starting skill values are awesome!  Is there any chance that in this version or an upcoming one, skills-per-race could be expanded further in the raws, like, goblin 'high master dodger' is better than dwarf 'high master dodger', or goblins learn dodge faster than dwarves, or some other way to represent that humans are better than dwarves at farming while dwarves are better at mining?

But to what extent is this skill or simple attributes? I could imagine some skills being easier to learn for some races then others but to have a skill be more potent for one race then another without some sort of physical or magical variable is something else.
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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #1467 on: October 21, 2010, 05:50:21 pm »

If minotaurs are getting revamped and giants and cyclops will too at some point, what about ettins?
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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #1468 on: October 21, 2010, 06:29:04 pm »

Werewolves are of interest to me. Can we expect them to get some love from the new night creature features? Will they be transforming and living among humans any time soon?
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This could be a handy way of teaching preschool children mathematics.

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Re: Future of the Fortress: The Development Page
« Reply #1469 on: October 21, 2010, 07:03:05 pm »

Oh yes, love for werewolves.  ♥
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