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Bartleby

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decorate with bone
« on: July 10, 2010, 08:23:33 pm »

My Bone Carver can do bone crafts, but when i order to "decorate with bone" i get
"cancels Decorate with Bone: Needs improvable item".
???
I got tons of undecorate furniture.
What do i do wrong ?
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forsaken1111

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Re: decorate with bone
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2010, 08:26:03 pm »

Can he path to the furniture? Is it forbidden?

Is anything in his shop forbidden?
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Re: decorate with bone
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2010, 08:37:17 pm »

Can he path to the furniture? Is it forbidden?

Is anything in his shop forbidden?
Nothing is forbidden. He can encrust Furniture with shell quite well, and he can make bone crafts.
This looks like a bug.

Maybe its because its all Goblin Bones...
« Last Edit: July 10, 2010, 08:43:27 pm by Bartleby »
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Re: decorate with bone
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2010, 08:44:18 pm »

I've noticed that only cloth goods get decorated with bone.  I'm not sure if this is a bug or not.
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Re: decorate with bone
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2010, 08:58:11 pm »

Is the furniture built, or is it in a furniture stockpile?  You can only decorate furniture that hasn't been built/placed somewhere.  If it is in a stockpile, it's definitely a bug, you should be able to encrust furniture with bone.
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Re: decorate with bone
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2010, 09:13:35 pm »

Of course the furniture is in stockpiles, i have around 300 pieces of all kind of furniture and finished goods.
I checked the items he decorated so far, and he made some with "horse hoof".
And its not only cause of Goblin bones, cause i have also some animal bones too.
It is a bug, he gets the bone in his workshop and then declares "need improvable item", even if he has a piece of furniture in his shop, that is undecorated from bone yet.

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Re: decorate with bone
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2010, 09:55:48 pm »

Ok after some test I found out its Goblin Bones.
You cannot decorate with Goblin Bones, crafts are possible.
The Message "needs improvable item" is pretty misleading thou.

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Re: decorate with bone
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2010, 09:56:27 pm »

does your civ have the ethic that allows them to use sentient creature bones as trophies?
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« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2010, 10:02:16 pm »

I was not aware of this.  I use the default settings, so MAKE_TROPHY_SAPIENT = NO and thats the reason i cannot decorate with goblin bones. Thank you for the hint.
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Re: decorate with bone
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2010, 10:03:11 pm »

I was not aware of this.  I use the default settings, so MAKE_TROPHY_SAPIENT = NO and thats the reason i cannot decorate with goblin bones. Thank you for the hint.
That would be part of the problem. I don't think "NO" is an acceptable entry. You should put "UNACCEPTABLE" I believe.
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« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2010, 11:44:41 pm »

Ahh, I have this reported as a bug (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=2540).  I'm going to try forbidding the goblin bones and see if that fixes it.

EDIT: Yep, maybe that's it.  I'm testing it, and it does seem they're getting hung up on goblin bones, but the testing is being complicated by the fact that all nearby pets are suddenly attacking the human caravan that's trading, and so beloved pets are being slaughtered by caravan guards left and right.

Oh, and the specific default setting is:

   [ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAPIENT:SHUN]
« Last Edit: July 11, 2010, 03:28:00 am by ChickenLips »
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Re: decorate with bone
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2010, 03:43:12 am »

Interesting.  I forbade [almost] all goblin bone in the fortress, and bone decoration resumed.  I got some clothing and furniture decorated stylishly in hoary marmot and rhesus macaque bone, like they do in Paris.

So it would seem it may indeed be about the game handling this ethical bone-trophy thing weirdly.  But it isn't so clear-cut, because of that [almost] above.  One of my sets of goblin bone, which I missed, got used to decorate a casket.  So, unless caskets are treated differently from, say, doors or cabinets, it's some other variable at play, possibly something intermittent.
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Re: decorate with bone
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2010, 12:58:56 pm »

Well i changed it to  [ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAPIENT:ACCEPTABLE]
but i still cannot decorate with goblin bones.
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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2010, 01:04:48 pm »

Well i changed it to  [ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAPIENT:ACCEPTABLE]
but i still cannot decorate with goblin bones.
Did you regenerate the world after you made that change?
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Re: decorate with bone
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2010, 01:19:44 pm »

Do you have goblin bones, or goblin skeletons?  Skeletons (or partial skeletons) need to be butchered into bones before they can be used for decoration, and to do that I think you need to make the ethics mods that let you butcher sentients.  They may eventually rot into bones on their own, but this seems to be very slow and unreliable in my experience.
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