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[TomiTapio]

("The format is ATTACK:EDGE/BLUNT:contact area:penetration size:verb2nd:verb3rd:noun:velocity multiplier
Penetration size currently only matters for edged attacks.")

So vanilla Whip has [ATTACK:BLUNT:1:10:lash:lashes:NO_SUB:5000].
laser-like tiny contact area? One could try setting the 1 to 6.

hammer [ATTACK:BLUNT:10:200:bash:bashes:NO_SUB:2000]
mace [ATTACK:BLUNT:20:200:bash:bashes:NO_SUB:2000]
flail [ATTACK:BLUNT:200:4000:bash:bashes:NO_SUB:2500]
short sword slap [ATTACK:BLUNT:20000:4000:slap:slaps:flat:1250]

Scourge has [ATTACK:EDGE:10:50:lash:lashes:NO_SUB:2000], it's like
spear's [ATTACK:EDGE:20:10000:stab:stabs:NO_SUB:1000]. But sharper!

[MaDeR Levap]

laser-like tiny contact area? One could try setting the 1 to 6.

Seems like DF-vanilia lashes are made from thin carbon nanotubes! No wonder they are so deadly - they cut through anything.

[Grendus]

Sounds like the game physics is having trouble with flexible weapons. If you're hit by a whip and a warhammer that both weigh the same amount, guess which will hurt more? There's a reason that, as far as I know, whips were never actually used in combat and if they were, it wasn't widespread. A whip's flexibility, while it makes it hard to block and capable of striking around defenses, also makes it very hard to strike without losing a lot of the force.

I think the easiest way to neuter them right now is to up the size of the strike zone, maybe to simulate a flat strike instead of a precise one. Honestly, though, I don't really understand why Toady added them to the game in the first place, they seem out of place in the 14th century european fantasy he focuses on as the basis of the game.

[SmileyMan]

...whips were never actually used in combat and if they were, it wasn't widespread

Not for 14th century Europe, no.

However, predecessors of the nasty South African sjambok are recorded in India and Indonesia in the 17th century and surely existed before then.  Then there's the very dangerous buntot pagi of the Philippines, which is made from the tail of a stingray and retains the venom - the longer it is (and therefore the larger and more dangerous the ray it came from) the more prized it is - the Filipino Royal Collection has a six-footer, typical combat-ready ones are 4.5 feet.  I'd love to see one of these modded into the game, with the venom effects.

And of course, the good ol' U S of A invented the blacksnake, which is a normal bullwhip, but with a handle that is a disguised blackjack.  Doesn't use the same skillset of course.

One thing on whip combat - almost everywhere where combat whips have been used, the wielder has a knife in the other hand to deal with an opponent who breaches the striking zone.  Until more realistic hand-to-hand striking zones are modelled, and until multi-wielding is in, simulating whip combat will be quite unrealistic anyway.

[Nilik]

Sounds like the game physics is having trouble with flexible weapons. If you're hit by a whip and a warhammer that both weigh the same amount, guess which will hurt more? There's a reason that, as far as I know, whips were never actually used in combat and if they were, it wasn't widespread. A whip's flexibility, while it makes it hard to block and capable of striking around defenses, also makes it very hard to strike without losing a lot of the force.

Sounds like being hit by a whip in the current version is more like being hit by a hammer-on-a-rope.

[Shrugging Khan]

Which sounds relatively scary, actually. Imagine getting hit by a hammer toss.

[Hamster Man]

So vanilla Whip has [ATTACK:BLUNT:1:10:lash:lashes:NO_SUB:5000].
laser-like tiny contact area? One could try setting the 1 to 6.

Dwarves with lasers. This make me wonder what would happen if I changed crossbow bolts a little...

[G-Flex]

Sounds like being hit by a whip in the current version is more like being hit by a hammer-on-a-rope.

Not quite, because it isn't ropelike at all. It's more like being hit by a really tiny, really fast hammer with miniscule contact area.

[MaDeR Levap]

Dwarves with lasers. This make me wonder what would happen if I changed crossbow bolts a little...

Like this?

[Hamster Man]

Close, but not quite! Since my lahzars wouldn't help accuracy at all.

[thvaz]

I am more happy with the combat now, but there are still work to do to balance the weapons and materials.

[Josephus]

Toady apparently has rebalanced combat for the next release, on the 22nd or the 23rd.

[SeanTucker]

Whips being overpowered makes me think that Toady's a Castlevania fan.

[TomiTapio]

Puns appart i'm trying to mod the whip to make them less of an instakill. What parameter should i work on ? I'll admit i don't know much on the subject

The whip is super, because it's blunt force in a super small area:

("The format is ATTACK:EDGE/BLUNT:contact area:penetration size:verb2nd:verb3rd:noun:velocity multiplier
Penetration size currently only matters for edged attacks.")

So vanilla Whip has [ATTACK:BLUNT:1:10:lash:lashes:NO_SUB:5000].
laser-like tiny contact area? One could try setting the 1 to 6.

hammer [ATTACK:BLUNT:10:200:bash:bashes:NO_SUB:2000]
mace [ATTACK:BLUNT:20:200:bash:bashes:NO_SUB:2000]
flail [ATTACK:BLUNT:200:4000:bash:bashes:NO_SUB:2500]
short sword slap [ATTACK:BLUNT:20000:4000:slap:slaps:flat:1250]

Scourge has [ATTACK:EDGE:10:50:lash:lashes:NO_SUB:2000], it's like
spear's [ATTACK:EDGE:20:10000:stab:stabs:NO_SUB:1000]. But sharper!

[(name here)]

A swift test indicates that adamantium short swords kick iron armor's ass. Also, my adamantium armor is resistant to war hammers.