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[dwarf_reform]

After this last update I really hope Toady puts a bit of priority on deeper item manipulation in adventure mode I really wish he'd take a good solid mod that already has the base format set up, flip through it and Toadyize it, and then add it to vanilla :> I love that he generally does his own work, but some of these modded bits really belong in vanilla DF..

Anyway, here's hoping, all the way around!

[Pirate Bob]

Well Deon's mod looks cool, but it really isn't Wanderer's Friend at all.  I think there must (?!) be a lot of people looking for a pure WF update, so... erm... is one in the works?  I didn't realize that WF changed the creatures, so I guess this might be a bigger job than I thought, but perhaps all the changes required would be regular/uniform?  e.g. all the Reactions now need x, all the Creatures now need y, and so on.  I have no idea what these new things would be so I would only really do this if I HAD to look into it... 

I am not sure, but if I remember correctly the changes to the creatures were to make them drop things useful for crafting, either directly or through butchering, and possibly also to balance what it dropped to make it reasonably difficult to get what you need for crafting.  So I would start looking there.  I am not sure if there were other changes to creatures.

Also, at least in 40.02 you could butcher sapients (i.e. elves), so there's some extra motivation for you...

[hermes]

That's good to know.  Just been reading through the WF readme, and I would be inclined to cut the added animal materials and the fortress mode stuff and just focus on the adventurer interactions.  If those would work reasonably with stock animals and materials, that would be great.  And I have yet to look at butchering sentients, but taking trophies from kills has been something I've wanted to do properly for ages so... I might take a stab at this.

The pertinent section reads...

A more in-depth explanation of the material mod
-----------------------------------------------
With this mod, new materials are added via creature variations, resulting in a decrease in imaginary materials like 'worm fur', 'blue jay hide' and the like, which occur due to the standard material and tissue allocation tokens giving products to creatures that cannot actually be butchered.  Variations are also easier to modify and maintain than individual assignments, and faster to apply to new creatures.

So not using the Wanderer's Friend materials (which would be ideal as it is kind of a workaround in itself, and I like mods that change vanilla as little as possible) relies on 0.40.1+ butchering animals more properly.  Which according to the devlog...

All jobs that affect body components (anything that uses bone, for example) will now carve away pieces of the body component, which'll leave a "partially butchered" wound type on the limbs etc. that were used in jobs if the skeleton is animated. Leather from skins is still not computed according to size, though -- that's a slightly more difficult problem since they use a custom product tag for tanning.

...Should be the case. .. ..... ... ?

[Lofn]

Hello. Does it count as a necro if I'm bumping my own thread?

I've been away from the Dwarf Fort community for something like three years now, but I dug this thread up today on an unrelated matter and I was reminded of how engaging it was. Would people still be interested in an update of this mod to work with the most recent DF release? If so, please post. Additionally, please post any ideas and requests you would have for a crafting-focused mod that are not already represented (or represented poorly) in other mods.

[Deon]

Hey! Glad you are back!
I already did something similar:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=140950.0

If you want we can collaborate, or you could revive this with all new features. I would love to see any development.

[Lofn]

Hi! I'll give it a look when I get back from Serious Real World Business later on. Would be good to collaborate with someone again, but it has been a long time since I've touched raws and I will need to relearn everything.

[Glloyd]

Wanderer's Friend was the only mod I ever used for DF, I'm surprised I missed the one you made Deon.

[endlessblaze]

yha update this,.....say..if I kill a fire man could I use this to make a fire man sword?!

[Deon]

You seem to be quite obsessed with fire men . Ever tried to call 911?

[endlessblaze]

FIRE WILL CONSUME YOU HAHAHAHAHAHhahahaha

[heatblade1212]

I installed the mod as told, and i am having a problem, i have 337 Giant intestines and 1 giant lock of hair, and yet i cant dry the gut or make thread out of hair?

am i doing something wrong here?
(i could make bone armor and weapons no problem)

[heatblade1212]

i also tried tanning wolves, and they show up as hairless pelts? and again, no usable hair or gut to make thread...

[Random_Dragon]

Ah, this is a classic. I'm yet another modder that's tweaked various things taken from this mod for my own use.

I'm tempted just to eyeball this mod's last version and re-tweak it just to put it back up to DF2014 standards. But for know I'll add some of my own notes about issues and fixes. Spoilers will be due to somewhat long notes and copy-pastes of raw editing.

About hair, bones, and the DF2014 changes to them (see also: http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=3712):

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

The material tweaks broke most custom reactions involving materials taken from butchered corpses. Bonecrafting now correctly takes one from the stack, but demanding multiple items of bone instead makes it demand multiple stacks, THEN only take 1 bone from each stack. Likewise, hair can wind up being used to provide multiples of thread, in a way that messes up the usual ways around another bug.

Meanwhile, any custom reaction involving thread/cloth has been and still is buggy as hell, as mentioned above. The normal solution is to only demand and produce product dimensions, and even without buggy hair this makes world-genned thread and cloth infinitely usable. There is a fix though:

[REACTION:SPIN_HAIR_ADV]
   [NAME:spin hair/wool thread]
   [ADVENTURE_MODE_ENABLED]
   [REAGENT:hair:1:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE][USE_BODY_COMPONENT][UNROTTEN][REACTION_CLASS:NOT_GUT]
   [PRODUCT:100:2:TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_THREAD:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:hair:NONE]
   [SKILL:SPINNING]

The most important part here is using [REACTION_CLASS:NOT_GUT] instead [ANY_STRAND_COMPONENT]. Likewise, all the hardcoded component-related reaction modifiers will factor in the amount of material available, which is undesirable due to bugs. It seems that either the absence of this token, or the use of a reaction class instead, bypasses this and makes 1 stack equal 1 output.

Meanwhile, the ITEM_TOOL_THREAD is an ersatz thread item I cooked up to bypass the fact that, if I made a thread with a production dimension of 1, world-genned fabric would be usable for thousands of reactions coded to only use single units. If you must stick with outputting real cloth, remember [DOES_NOT_DETERMINE_PRODUCT_AMOUNT] in case you pick up some random yarn and risk burying yourself under 10000 cloth slings.

Likewise for bonecrafting, we have...

[REACTION:CARVE_BONE_SPEAR_ADV]
   [NAME:carve bone spear]
   [ADVENTURE_MODE_ENABLED]
   [REAGENT:carver:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_DAGGER_LARGE:NONE:NONE][PRESERVE_REAGENT]
   [REAGENT:bone:1:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE][USE_BODY_COMPONENT][REACTION_CLASS:CARVE_BONE]
   [PRODUCT:100:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SPEAR:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:bone:NONE]
   [SKILL:BONECARVE]

Once again, [REACTION_CLASS:CARVE_BONE] is the important part to avoid issues, in place of [ANY_BONE_MATERIAL].

Poisons (I've said it before and I'll say it again, decorating with venom DOES NOT WORK):

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

As far as I can tell, using item improvements to decorate a weapon with venom has never worked. The good news is the comments in Wanderer's Friend imply that this is a known issue that was left in unfixed. The bad news is many mods based off this simply copy-paste the reaction as-is. I've toyed with trying to make the resulting "frozen venom" decoration melt, but without success.

Poisons can still be used, through a few workarounds. Giving a creature venom for blood is the stupidest-sounding yet LEAST buggy option, which will contaminate whatever weapon or ammo you do the butchering with.

Failing that, you could in theory use the EXTRA_BUTCHER_OBJECT to drop something besides a pool of the relevant venom. It might be possible to create an ersatz "venom sac" in the form of a vermin creature, made butcherable like the creepy crawler. It could then have a poison mocked up to resemble the desired venom, then assigned as it's blood. Then by having its remains drop as an EBO from the related creature. The problem with this is another bug ( http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=4973 ) that breaks remains or other items generated that way.

If we ditch the insistence on poisoned weapons but still want to poison enemies, our options expand a bit. One option is to add [SYN_CONTACT] to the venom and simply define the creature to drop some venom as LIQUID_MISC when butchered. This is hilariously unsafe and can lead to blood or vomit mixing with the venom.

A more logical and less messy alternative is an item assumed to be an ersatz venom sac, which can be processed into a contact poison. This requires, first in the creature:

   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SAC:SAC_TEMPLATE]
   [EXTRA_BUTCHER_OBJECT:BY_CATEGORY:MOUTH]
      [EBO_ITEM:TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_SAC:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SAC]

And then farther down, in addition to (or replacing, if you want) the creature's venom:

   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:CONTACT:CREATURE_EXTRACT_TEMPLATE]
      [STATE_NAME:ALL_SOLID:frozen giant cave spider poison]
      [STATE_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:frozen giant cave spider poison]
      [STATE_NAME:LIQUID:giant cave spider poison]
      [STATE_ADJ:LIQUID:giant cave spider poison]
      [STATE_NAME:GAS:boiling giant cave spider poison]
      [STATE_ADJ:GAS:boiling giant cave spider poison]
      [PREFIX:NONE]
      [SYNDROME]
         [SYN_NAME:giant cave spider toxin]
         [SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
         [SYN_IMMUNE_CREATURE:SPIDER_CAVE:ALL]
         [SYN_CONTACT][SYN_INGESTED]
         [CE_PARALYSIS:SEV:100:PROB:100:RESISTABLE:SIZE_DILUTES:START:5:PEAK:10:END:20]

As you can guess, this additionally requires a material template:

[MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SAC_TEMPLATE]
   [STATE_COLOR:ALL_SOLID:GRAY] all stolen from eye template
   [STATE_NAME:ALL_SOLID:venom]
   [STATE_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:venom]
   [STATE_COLOR:LIQUID:GRAY]
   [STATE_NAME:LIQUID:n/a]
   [STATE_ADJ:LIQUID:n/a]
   [STATE_COLOR:GAS:GRAY]
   [STATE_NAME:GAS:n/a]
   [STATE_ADJ:GAS:n/a]
   [DISPLAY_COLOR:7:0:1]
   [MATERIAL_VALUE:1]
   [SPEC_HEAT:4181]
   [IGNITE_POINT:10508]
   [MELTING_POINT:NONE]
   [BOILING_POINT:NONE]
   [HEATDAM_POINT:10250]
   [COLDDAM_POINT:9900]
   [MAT_FIXED_TEMP:NONE]
   [SOLID_DENSITY:500]
   [LIQUID_DENSITY:NONE]
   [MOLAR_MASS:NONE]
   [IMPACT_YIELD:10000]
   [IMPACT_FRACTURE:10000]
   [IMPACT_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:50000]
   [COMPRESSIVE_YIELD:10000]
   [COMPRESSIVE_FRACTURE:10000]
   [COMPRESSIVE_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:50000]
   [TENSILE_YIELD:10000]
   [TENSILE_FRACTURE:10000]
   [TENSILE_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:50000]
   [TORSION_YIELD:10000]
   [TORSION_FRACTURE:10000]
   [TORSION_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:50000]
   [SHEAR_YIELD:20000] copied human skin (no data)
   [SHEAR_FRACTURE:20000]
   [SHEAR_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:50000]
   [BENDING_YIELD:10000]
   [BENDING_FRACTURE:10000]
   [BENDING_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:50000]
   [MAX_EDGE:0]
   [ABSORPTION:100]
   [MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:VENOM_MAT:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:CONTACT]
   [REACTION_CLASS:VENOM_SOURCE]
   [IMPLIES_ANIMAL_KILL]

And finally, the reaction that ties it all together:

[REACTION:REFINE_VENOM_ADV]
   [NAME:refine venom into contact poison]
   [ADVENTURE_MODE_ENABLED]
   [REAGENT:mortar:1:TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_MORTAR:NONE:NONE][PRESERVE_REAGENT]
   [REAGENT:pestle:1:TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_PESTLE:NONE:NONE][PRESERVE_REAGENT]
   [REAGENT:container:1:FLASK:NONE:NONE:NONE][PRESERVE_REAGENT]      

[DOES_NOT_DETERMINE_PRODUCT_AMOUNT][EMPTY]
   [REAGENT:venom sac:1:TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_SAC:NONE:NONE]
      [HAS_MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:VENOM_MAT]
   [PRODUCT:100:3:LIQUID_MISC:NONE:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:venom sac:VENOM_MAT]

[PRODUCT_TO_CONTAINER:container]
   [SKILL:ALCHEMY]

Reactions involving liquids, contained or not, as reagents are buggy. Liquids as output work as intended. If you wanted even more work to avoid the oddity of a "venom sac" tool, you could instead create a new organ made of the required material and using the required tissues, and add that to the bodies of the relevant creature.

On gathering wood, and other plant lunacy:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Gathering wood out of thin air with a battleaxe works, but is kinda inconsistent with gathering rocks from the ground and fruits from the few DF2014 plants that can be picked. The good news is this can be fixed. The bad new is it excludes using an axe.

For trees, we can simply assign a growth that, rather than providing fruit or leaves, gives us wood (huehuehue).

   [GROWTH:FAKED]
      [GROWTH_NAME:oak:oak]
      [GROWTH_HOST_TILE:TRUNK]
      [GROWTH_ITEM:WOOD:NONE:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:WOOD]
      [GROWTH_DENSITY:1]

Note that the growth density is only 1. No matter how low I set it, harvestable growths seen as good as infinite.

If you want to add more logical, you can instead make it output a PLANT_GROWTH and define the relevant growth's material as being an ersatz branch, and linking it to branches instead of the trunk allows for the assumption that the character is gathering branches instead or yanking whole logs out of the tree. Yo dawg, I heard you like branches, so I put branches on your branches, so you can get wood while you get wood. o3o

That of course requires tweaking any adventurer reactions to use the desired PLANT_GROWTH instead of a WOOD item. One possible way this could play out:

   [GROWTH:FAKED]
      [GROWTH_NAME:oak branch:oak branches]
      [GROWTH_HOST_TILE:BRANCHES]
      [GROWTH_ITEM:PLANT_GROWTH:NONE:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:WOOD]
      [GROWTH_DENSITY:1]

Further tweaks to ensure the name of the item is consistent are likely needed, but at this point you can presumably add a REACTION_CLASS to the wood template and have woodworking reactions demand a PLANT_GROWTH with the correct REACTION_CLASS.

Similar use of faked growths can be used to fix plants that can't be harvested in adventure mode due to the useful parts being the structural parts and not the growth. Messing with this allows, for example, making the mythical solid beer, bread.

We'll use tweaks to longland grass as our example:

   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:STRUCTURAL:STRUCTURAL_PLANT_TEMPLATE]
      [MATERIAL_VALUE:2]
      [EDIBLE_VERMIN]
      [MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:DRINK_MAT:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:DRINK]
      [MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:SEED_MAT:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:SEED]
      [MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:PESTLE_MAT:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:MILL]

The addition of a PESTLE_MAT will be important later. Next we add the growth:

   [GROWTH:FAKED]
      [GROWTH_NAME:Longland grass:Longland grass]
      [GROWTH_TIMING:120000:300000]
      [GROWTH_ITEM:PLANT:NONE:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:STRUCTURAL]
      [GROWTH_DENSITY:1]

In this case, to avoid it being OP all year round, the growth timing has been made similar to when cave wheat is farmable, so the grass can only be harvested in summer and autumn. Rather than giving us a plant growth, it hands us an actual PLANT item.

Finally, another tweak to the flour. This will also be important later:

   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:MILL:PLANT_POWDER_TEMPLATE]
      [STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:Longland flour]
      [STATE_COLOR:ALL_SOLID:WHITE]
      [DISPLAY_COLOR:7:0:1]
      [MATERIAL_VALUE:20]
      [EDIBLE_VERMIN]
      [EDIBLE_COOKED]
      [PREFIX:NONE]
      [REACTION_CLASS:IS_FLOUR]

Now for the reactions.

[REACTION:GRIND_GRAIN_ADV]
   [NAME:grind grain into flour]
   [ADVENTURE_MODE_ENABLED]
   [REAGENT:mortar:1:TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_MORTAR:NONE:NONE][PRESERVE_REAGENT]
   [REAGENT:pestle:1:TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_PESTLE:NONE:NONE][PRESERVE_REAGENT]
   [REAGENT:plant:1:PLANT:NONE:NONE:NONE]
      [HAS_MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:PESTLE_MAT]
   [PRODUCT:100:1:POWDER_MISC:NONE:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:plant:PESTLE_MAT]
   [SKILL:MILLING]

[REACTION:CRAFT_BISCUIT_ADV]
   [NAME:cook hardtack]
   [ADVENTURE_MODE_ENABLED]
   [REAGENT:flour:1:POWDER_MISC:NONE:NONE:NONE][REACTION_CLASS:IS_FLOUR]
   [PRODUCT:100:1:ITEM_FOOD:ITEM_FOOD_BISCUITS:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:plant:PESTLE_MAT]
   [SKILL:COOK]

The first of course snags a plant, which in this example would be the Longland grass harvested or otherwise obtained, and outputs a bit of flour. Adding the desired changes to other plants like wheat, flax, etc likewise works the same.

The second reaction takes a powder, specifically one we've given the IS_FLOUR reaction class. Just in case the player gets ahold of other powder, we wouldn't want emerald dye biscuits.

On bone crafts and redundant reactions:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

As much as I love being able to pick whether I want a dragon bone amulet or a dragon bone crown, it does cause a bit of reaction clutter that, to me at least, isn't essential. Even if we do want our choice of craft, one bit of redundancy can be eliminated without issue.

[REACTION:CARVE_BONE_CRAFTS_ADV]
   [NAME:carve bone/tooth/horn crafts]
   [ADVENTURE_MODE_ENABLED]
   [REAGENT:carver:1:WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_DAGGER_LARGE:NONE:NONE][PRESERVE_REAGENT]
   [REAGENT:bone:1:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE][USE_BODY_COMPONENT][REACTION_CLASS:CARVE_SMALL]
   [PRODUCT:100:1:CRAFTS:NONE:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:bone:NONE]
   [SKILL:BONECARVE]

This demonstrates both efforts to reduce reaction clutter. The more useful one is once again the [REACTION_CLASS:CARVE_SMALL] part. By adding this to bone, tooth, horn, or other materials one deems suitable for small carved items, a whole lot of reactions can be distilled down to just one. Even if we retain separate reactions for amulets, rings, crowns, etc a lot of space is saved that way.

Similar results can be obtained for streamlining tanning. As far as I can tell, you made creature variations and applied them on a creature-by-creature basis. Makes sense for customizing the relative strengths of a creature's body materials, but that can still be done with slightly less complexity by making different "tiers" of material templates. As for tanning hides, there are easier options.

[REACTION:TAN_A_HIDE]
   [NAME:tan a hide]
   [BUILDING:TANNER:CUSTOM_T]
   [REAGENT:A:1:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE][USE_BODY_COMPONENT][REACTION_CLASS:SUPPLE_SKIN][UNROTTEN]
      [HAS_MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:TAN_MAT]

   In the product, if you want to use the reagent's material itself, use NONE instead of a reaction product class (TAN_MAT in this example).

   [PRODUCT:100:1:SKIN_TANNED:NONE:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:A:TAN_MAT]
   [SKILL:TANNER]
   [AUTOMATIC]

[REACTION:TAN_A_HIDE_ADV]
   [NAME:tan a hide]
   [ADVENTURE_MODE_ENABLED]
   [REAGENT:skin:1:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE][USE_BODY_COMPONENT][UNROTTEN]
      [HAS_MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:TAN_MAT]
   [PRODUCT:100:1:SKIN_TANNED:NONE:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:skin:TAN_MAT]
   [SKILL:TANNER]

This is nothing more than a replacement version of civ/fort tanning, and a simplified tanning reaction for adventurers. Scraper can be re-implemented according to taste, of course. The civ version looks for a "supple skin" REACTION_CLASS that I added to skin but not (untanned, as I'll clarify below) scale or chitin. This prevents oddities like chitin flasks.

The key of course is to add copies of the scale and chitin templates, designated as tanned equivalents of their respective materials. This also lets us rename the untanned materials "raw scale" and "raw chitin" to avoid player confusion. The name will show up for the butchered material, but won't affect descriptions of living creatures because it appears to look for TISSUE name instead.

Next we add to the original scale template:

   [MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:TAN_MAT:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:TANNEDSCALE]

And add to the original chitin template:

   [MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:TAN_MAT:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:TANNEDCHITIN]

Since these still use the TAN_MAT part, they can all be used by the same reaction, but with different result. Naturally, the final piece tying them all together goes in the BODY_DETAIL_PLAN files:

[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_MATERIALS]
   This command is just a shortcut for the similar lines (USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE|<token>|<template>) in a creature definition.
   [ADD_MATERIAL:SKIN:SKIN_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:FAT:FAT_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:MUSCLE:MUSCLE_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:BONE:BONE_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:CARTILAGE:CARTILAGE_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:HAIR:HAIR_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:TOOTH:TOOTH_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:EYE:EYE_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:NERVE:NERVE_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:BRAIN:BRAIN_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:LUNG:LUNG_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:HEART:HEART_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:LIVER:LIVER_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:GUT:GUT_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:STOMACH:STOMACH_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:GIZZARD:GIZZARD_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:PANCREAS:PANCREAS_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:SPLEEN:SPLEEN_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:KIDNEY:KIDNEY_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:LEATHER:LEATHER_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:TALLOW:TALLOW_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:SOAP:SOAP_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:TANNEDSCALE:TANNED_SCALE_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:TANNEDCHITIN:TANNED_CHITIN_TEMPLATE]

[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:CHITIN_MATERIALS]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:CHITIN:CHITIN_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:FAT:FAT_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:MUSCLE:MUSCLE_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:EYE:EYE_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:NERVE:NERVE_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:BRAIN:BRAIN_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:LUNG:LUNG_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:HEART:HEART_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:LIVER:LIVER_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:GUT:GUT_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:STOMACH:STOMACH_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:GIZZARD:GIZZARD_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:PANCREAS:PANCREAS_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:SPLEEN:SPLEEN_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:KIDNEY:KIDNEY_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:TALLOW:TALLOW_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:SOAP:SOAP_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:TANNEDCHITIN:TANNED_CHITIN_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:TANNEDSCALE:TANNED_SCALE_TEMPLATE]

There is of course a reason why the tanned scales and chitin are in both material plans. Titans and presumably other genned creatures, it turns out, either use these defaults or start with a base creature to modify, but when they do oddities like add scales to a mammal or create chitinous lizards, they add the required scales and/or chitin but aren't coded to add the normally non-existent materials I've added. The end result?



Whether this fix will idiotproof ALL generated creatures, I don't yet know. It should at least work for anything that starts with a mundane creature and modifies it.

Obviously in your mod's instance, pelts and other styles of hide can easily be added and adapted to the same system. The only exception is the "cleaning feathers" reaction, solely because that demands a comb instead of a scraper.

I hope Lofn or others find these useful. From what I've seen of Deon's take it definitely is a good port to DF2014, but it still might suffer from the material tweaks.

[Lofn]

Thanks for the post. When I get more than half an hour of motivation to go over this again I'll be sure to incorporate them.

[Max™]

Oh god I just noticed you can do that with putting in a dagger instead of a stone for the carving... I mean you don't actually need that part, but it makes sense and all, and gives a use for the dagger you start out with.