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[Simon]

That's what I feared. It's understandable though.

Thanks for the answer.

[rumpel]

I was playing for 10 hours straight tonight, starting at 769 as the denmark guy, conquered most parts of sweden and norway, then died and lost a huge chunk of norway a bit of denmark itself because of kingdom title and gavelkind shenanigans. eventually killed their king, got everything back, vassalized the other one, but before some part of finland got independent. i didn't care much, conquered the remaining parts of sweden and norway and started my raiding on england, scotland, france and every other coastal provinced, hehe.
i then realized i had three kingdom titles, got finland back because they had some nasty wars and revolts and then conquered livonian order so i could create empire of scandinavia. a bit later i reformed germanic faith and i'm now on my way to make feudalism (or merchant republic, im not sure yet (also achievement 2.0% of people for feudal and 0.9% of people for merchant rep) a thing to eventually get a better succession law.

the game's been one huge race against time and death of the current ruler. i really hope i can get feudalism pulled off before my ruler dies (he's in his fifties i think) because all my 25ish vassals have at least +50 opinion of me and the huge opinion hit that i will take due to tribal authority law change thingy is gonna hurt the next ruler because i'm sure not all vasals are going to think positive of him. :/ but oh well, lets see how things progress.

also i realized there's a dwarf fortress achievement "Have seven courtiers with the Dwarf trait" :>

[Teneb]

Got published two days ago, but so was Fallout 4, but Paradox finally detailed what pacts are.

Spoiler: Pacts (click to show/hide)

Hey all!

So today I felt that I was going to spoil some of the bigger stuff we are working on with the new patch, I thought Birken was a bit too mean keeping you guys on edge for so long. As several of you have noted we now have a Pacts tab in the character screen and I am going to tell you guys what it is all about.

So why it was changed is because we decided that we wanted to rewrite a bit how alliances worked in Crusader Kings making it much more predictable who will be in your war. No, as some of you tried to guess we have not made it no longer required to marry other rulers to forge an alliance, that is still a very big part of the core gameplay in the game. What we have done is that we have divided it up in two steps, Non-Aggression Pacts and Alliances.



Now now, don’t fetch your pitchforks yet! The idea we have is to make the marriage much more focused on its strategical nature than just finding your “soulmate” with impressive tracts of land.

Now when you first marry off your daughter or son you will be figuratively negotiating an agreement with the other ruler to come to terms over your issues with each other, resulting in a Non-Aggression Pact between your two mighty realms. This can later can be improved into a proper Alliance. This is an action done separately after the marriage as been finalized. You don’t have to wait until your family members have grown up however as betrothals also counts when formalizing these pacts.

This does mean that you do not have a Non-Aggression Pact with your close kins but they can still be made into allies without a marriage. Meaning you no longer get the penalties of attacking close kin unless you choose to make your them your ally.


Picture has been censored to not reveal undisclosed features​

With these changes the AI has also been changed a bit to be more capable in recognizing Realpolitik instead of purely going on opinions. It is not much but the AI is now capable of properly identifying threats and will try to form Non-Aggression pacts with these, or if they refuse, ally someone else with a common interest to contain the threat. The idea is also that the AI no longer wants to aid these threats, but instead only preserve the status quo and keep them off their back. They will refuse to ally these threats most of the time in order to not help them become stronger.

Since we now have a distinct action you can perform to ally someone we have also changed how they relate to wars to make it less of a guessing game.

Allies for both sides will be shown in the Declare War screen showing who will join the war on what side. Also important to know with these changes is that allies are now required to honor their alliance, meaning they can not refuse a call to arms. So now you know exactly who you can count on when the war starts. However if your ally is starting an offensive war against someone you have a Non-Aggression Pact with you have to stand out.

All of this is in the Free Patch that will be coming with the next expansion.

[USEC_OFFICER]

"Reveal Secret Bear"
"Buy Hedgehog"

Okay then. I wonder what undisclosed info they're hiding there? Obviously they're actions against another character, but what could they possibly be?

Spoiler: Oh God, why is this so long? (click to show/hide)

Also my Islamic Empire of Spain is starting to bog down in the late game. Just 60~ years to go and then that'll be it. It's slow going though, since I'm getting lots of pop-ups from being such a large empire (having Decadence mechanics certainly doesn't help). It's safe to say that I'm the second-strongest nation in the game at the moment. I've got 140k~ troops at my beck and call, 80k~ of which are vassals, 30k~ light retinues (to discourage rebellions and siege provinces) and the rest personal troops (which I never use because they cost so much). The three Merchant Republics in Europe are all my vassals, and I'm earning a wonderful 80~120 gold a month. All of this comes from controlling almost all of Spain, France, and Italy, along a small chunk of Africa.

Right now I have two big rivals. The first is the Orthodox Block, formed by the HRE, Byzantines and Hungary (who switched to Orthodox for some weird reason), all of which are connected via marriage and religion. The troop numbers that have seem to fluxuate a lot. Sometimes they have more troops than I do. Sometimes they don't. Right now, the HRE and Byzantines are fighting over some some random country so their troop numbers are depleted and so I'm about to tear another Kingdom out of the Germans. The Invasion CB is pretty damn amazing.

My other big rival is the Aztecs, who have roufhly equal troops as I do. The problem is that 110k~ of them are the event troops they spawned with, who have never disappeared. They've been mostly chilling up in Great Britian, fighting off the occasional rebellion/whatever which is why they still have so many event troops left. They are clearly the strongest nation in the game at the moment, since event troops are scary as heck in combat. Thankfully they don't seem inclined to load up their ships and attack, which is a good thing since I'd undoubtably lose if they fought me. Though if they did, hopefully I'd be able to kill enough troops for a counter-attack to be successful. They've been flirting with Catholism for a while, which freaks me out. The last few Crusades have been for Sicily, which I control. Since all of the remaining Catholic countries are huddled around the Baltic basin (including Catholic Russia for some reason), the Crusades have been hilarious failures with only the Teutonic Knights showing up (who are not the Hospitaliers and thus lack 12k gold and the ability to summon mercenaries out of thin air). But if the Aztecs came down with their troops I wouldn't stand a chance, and would give them an enclave in the Mediterranean to annoy me.

Also it seems to be a rule in my game that the further east you go, the more the nations look like someone dropped them onto the ground. The Seljuks formed a massive blob, stretching from the southernmost part of Arabia to the northern Steppes, from India to Anatolia, and then exploded spectacularly. I'm talking about a big, impressive mixture of kingdoms placed without rhyme or reason. Arabia controlling parts of Persia, kingdoms controlling no provinces in their de jure borders, and Antolia looking like a checkerboard. It was glorious and after a century it still hasn't been sorted out yet, though the Seljuks have reappeared and have been trying their best. Russia did a very similar thing, in that they expanded and then exploded into bits and pieces. It was quite amusing to watch in between reforming the Western Roman Empire.

[rumpel]

Founding the merchant republic was less stressful than I thought it would be. Little I knew that I should have amassed a lot of gold to buy my guys the necessary upgrades for merchan republic. Most of them adopted feudalism. Is there any way to get them to switch over to merchan republic (I think it's not possible, is it?)

Also, here's a screenshot because I'm a bit proud of what I achieved so far as this is my first real ironmode & achievements playthrough attempt (I always played mods and then just a couple of days, dunno why). Res Publica and Viking Raider <1% rareness achievement, yay!

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[Descan]

If you really wanted to go for rare achievements, you'd have gotten Viking Ummah, too

I was in your same situation, only Shiite too.

[Majestic7]

I've been playing Elder Kings mod as Orsimer, with the plan of conquering all High Rock eventually. Mages are hilariously overpowered compared to other education types, but I've stuck with warrior types for my ruler and his sons for roleplaying reasons. (Though I don't know if Malacath cares what source "strength" comes from.) If you wonder why I think mages are overpowered - they can conjure event troops, gain permanent bonus traits (like "Strong") and so forth with spellcasting.

While the mod is fun and all, it somehow feels a little... hollow? Hard to explain, there is just little to do other than planning my conquests. Events seem to fire less often than with other mods and so forth. I don't know if there is a problem with event triggers or if the mod is just basically reskinned vanilla.

I think I will drift back to CK+/HIP and GoT eventually.

[EuchreJack]

"Reveal Secret Bear"
"Buy Hedgehog"

Okay then. I wonder what undisclosed info they're hiding there? Obviously they're actions against another character, but what could they possibly be?

Undisclosed info?  What undisclosed info?  Obviously, the newest features are to purchase Hedgehogs and show off Bears.  I welcome these features, and wonder what other unique animals will be added.

On a more serious note, I cringe at reading that the AI will be refusing to ally with perceived threats.  Have experienced the AI under similar situations, I expect this to be a hindrance that will be poorly understood and lacking explanation.  Especially since the most infamous example, "Wants a better alliance" as a refusal to marriage that was only correctly adjusted rather recently, ties into the same area.

...Not that I care much, as I usually prefer Money -> Mercenaries over allies almost exclusively.  The new system, in the few times where the AI decides to play along rather than deny my alliance after tying up all my family members in loveless marriages, will certainly increase reliability at the onset of war.  Still can't control the allies, but the ally follow behavior makes up for a large part.

[scrdest]

I've been playing Elder Kings mod as Orsimer, with the plan of conquering all High Rock eventually. Mages are hilariously overpowered compared to other education types, but I've stuck with warrior types for my ruler and his sons for roleplaying reasons. (Though I don't know if Malacath cares what source "strength" comes from.) If you wonder why I think mages are overpowered - they can conjure event troops, gain permanent bonus traits (like "Strong") and so forth with spellcasting.

While the mod is fun and all, it somehow feels a little... hollow? Hard to explain, there is just little to do other than planning my conquests. Events seem to fire less often than with other mods and so forth. I don't know if there is a problem with event triggers or if the mod is just basically reskinned vanilla.

I think I will drift back to CK+/HIP and GoT eventually.

Yeah, mages are pretty ridiculous at high levels. And when you have a specced mage, you can get a spell that makes you immortal while remaining the same race - though it has a good chance of murderizing the char instead. Necromancers can turn into Liches at a smaller cost, though it probably entails being rather unpopular with the human courtiers.

They can also summon armies cheaper, and summon a Mr Skeltal with various skills (though it's a crapshoot as with normal hiring) that get like +500 relation to the summoner. Although hilariously, if you give them a republic, soon a whole bunch of very, very anorexic politicians will pop up, without the bonus, and immortal, and hated by all humans who will OH GOD SLANDER ALL THE GODDAMN TIME.

[Loud Whispers]

I am quite amused by the idea of a lich warlord with low self esteem worried that the humans are slandering him behind his back

[Rolan7]

I am so amused at the idea of a lich king in Crusader Kings that I have to try the mod.  I was already gonna, but that cinched it.
I wonder if Khajiit can be lich?  Will try to find out.

[pisskop]

But dies the ai achieve greatness ever?

Can you use necromantic magic to turn yourself insane?

Gloriously insane.

[scrdest]

I am quite amused by the idea of a lich warlord with low self esteem worried that the humans are slandering him behind his back

THAT'S LITERALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING TO MY CHARACTER.

He's not a Lich, since I'm a skrub with a Learning 40-ish char, so he's an immortal still-human-looking Nord Necromancer Warlord, but other than that, it's literally what's happening.

In fact, my impending world domination was rather abruptly halted by my character cyclically getting Stressed and, later on, Depressed traits due to being slandered ALL THE GODDAMN TIME which wouldn't go away despite my secession from Eastmarch largely stopping the slanderers and several attempts to magically cure both - it always came back, with a message that he's sad that people don't seem to be comfortable around him, and he has like 3 Personal Diplo.

So, my character wound up stabbing himself several times in suicide attempts to little effect, but finally he managed to render himself Infirm - which, annoyingly, renders you unable to use spells to fix that very issue and my Magister despite having like 20 Learning himself won't fix the damn thing.

That also prevents me from summoning no-upkeep 100% loyal event troops with magic, so Western Skyrim is as of right now a largely arctic world power ruled by a magnificently be-facial-haired forever-living ruler using a secret security force to kidnap and, occasionally, torture dissidents. Now I only need Thalmor to show up somewhere so I can have the appropriate opponent to ally and be betrayed by.

I am so amused at the idea of a lich king in Crusader Kings that I have to try the mod.  I was already gonna, but that cinched it.
I wonder if Khajiit can be lich?  Will try to find out.

Yep. You can also magicooly turn yourself into any race with high enough personal Learning. But the best thing about this mod's Khajiit...

Spoiler: Is underaged Khajiit rulers :3 (click to show/hide)

[umiman]

I am so amused at the idea of a lich king in Crusader Kings that I have to try the mod.  I was already gonna, but that cinched it.
I wonder if Khajiit can be lich?  Will try to find out.

I played as one in that infamous MP game with the other Bay12ers.

It was very amusing.

[Loud Whispers]

I am quite amused by the idea of a lich warlord with low self esteem worried that the humans are slandering him behind his back

THAT'S LITERALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING TO MY CHARACTER.

He's not a Lich, since I'm a skrub with a Learning 40-ish char, so he's an immortal still-human-looking Nord Necromancer Warlord, but other than that, it's literally what's happening.

In fact, my impending world domination was rather abruptly halted by my character cyclically getting Stressed and, later on, Depressed traits due to being slandered ALL THE GODDAMN TIME which wouldn't go away despite my secession from Eastmarch largely stopping the slanderers and several attempts to magically cure both - it always came back, with a message that he's sad that people don't seem to be comfortable around him, and he has like 3 Personal Diplo.

So, my character wound up stabbing himself several times in suicide attempts to little effect, but finally he managed to render himself Infirm - which, annoyingly, renders you unable to use spells to fix that very issue and my Magister despite having like 20 Learning himself won't fix the damn thing.

That also prevents me from summoning no-upkeep 100% loyal event troops with magic, so Western Skyrim is as of right now a largely arctic world power ruled by a magnificently be-facial-haired forever-living ruler using a secret security force to kidnap and, occasionally, torture dissidents. Now I only need Thalmor to show up somewhere so I can have the appropriate opponent to ally and be betrayed by.

Hahahahah poor necrowarlord! He tries to end the suffering of his pain but he's too dark and edgy to even die D: