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Re: Crusader Kings 2 is released.
« Reply #9090 on: November 28, 2015, 01:07:35 pm »

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« Reply #9091 on: November 28, 2015, 09:04:05 pm »

Is the Dutch retinue any good?
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« Reply #9092 on: November 29, 2015, 12:11:50 am »

There was a full analysis done not too long ago.  Dutch retinues, when mixed with generic archers, are apparently on a similar level with the Scots, Arabs, and Italians (who go pure).  It makes sense; a mix of Light Infantry and Pikemen leavens out the powerful archer-based retinues for Shieldwalls and Feints (especially with the latter, which does not affect Pikemen) while still maintaining decent odds of a Volley. 
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« Reply #9093 on: November 29, 2015, 12:18:16 pm »

OK, Vipir the Depressed Necrolord has managed to suicide-attempt himself into utter uselessness (Infirm AND Incapable) and also somehow throw HIMSELF into the Oubliette when a random countess tried to seduce her way out of jail (to be fair, he IS Insane as well).

I need to get a Controlled Ruler Demolition going somehow to get a decent successor and not fracture everything into statelets (since it's Gavelkind that long since went for the Primogeniture-with-no-children clause and there are factions running I can no longer easily dismantle).

So, how to get myself killed in Elder Kings, while I'm pretty much unable to leave the bed?
So you're

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You are the protagonist of an anime, sir.
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« Reply #9094 on: November 29, 2015, 01:11:49 pm »

OK, Vipir the Depressed Necrolord has managed to suicide-attempt himself into utter uselessness (Infirm AND Incapable) and also somehow throw HIMSELF into the Oubliette when a random countess tried to seduce her way out of jail (to be fair, he IS Insane as well).

I need to get a Controlled Ruler Demolition going somehow to get a decent successor and not fracture everything into statelets (since it's Gavelkind that long since went for the Primogeniture-with-no-children clause and there are factions running I can no longer easily dismantle).

So, how to get myself killed in Elder Kings, while I'm pretty much unable to leave the bed?
So you're

  • undead
  • insane
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  • Suicidal
  • Stuck in a hole
  • Immortal
  • Vulnerable to the wiles of human women

You are the protagonist of an anime, sir.
ROFL.

Not quite accurate, though - he's not undead (it probably would have helped, actually. Oh well.) and the countess tried to seduce the guard, not me. I've just been running a SkySi surveillance state so I quickly figured it out. He definitely is a dirty (technically, he looks thirtysomething and is buff and attractive) old man, just in a way more, uh, befitting his religion.

Because I'm not sure I mentioned - he's also a Molag Bal cultist, having gone through a bunch of other Daedra cults.
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« Reply #9095 on: December 01, 2015, 01:55:43 pm »

Here is the life of Elpidios Kalopragmon "The Hunter" (736-804) Doux of Tripolitana, Strategos of Sicily and Protostator of the Byzantine Empire.

Not much is known of him before the year 769 when he ordered the murder of the Count of Messene and he inherited the title. The following year, Elpidios revoked the title of Panarmos, extending his domain. After 7 years of preparation, he launched an attack against the duchy of Tripolitana owned by an Ibadi heathens. In 781, after 4 years of battle, the war was won by Elpidios, now calling himself Doux of Tripolitana. Inheriting a tradition of high centralisation in the Empire, the Doux decided to unite the island of Sicily under his personal rule. Agrigenton and Drepanon fell respectively in 782 and 783 while Malta fell in 788. The last one was given to his son-in-law Micheal Rangabes (Matrieneally married to Theognosia Kalopragmon, first born daughter of Elpidios).

During that time the Empire enjoy good stability. The Iconoclast view, in which Elpidios and the Basileus believed, gradually became the view of the majority in 783. The same year, Basileus Konstantinos V "The Lion" died, replaced by Christophoros "The Blind". In 789, the new Basileus converted to the Paulician heresy and alienated much of the empire. Weary of the power of Elpidios he revoked his right to Drepanon which the Doux accepted begrugingly to avoid war against the emperor, but a couple of months later, in 790, the emperor tried to revoke the county of Tripolitana. Enraged, Elpidios rebelled against the emperor even if the odds were not in his favor. Though the Basileus died of poor health shortly after the start. The Imperial throne passed to a young Diogene. At his ascension he abandoned Iconoclasm and every one in the Empire we're asked to do the same. Originally Elpidios refused, but a year later at the urging of his friend he also abandoned Iconoclasm. Iconoclasm fell out of favor in the populace in 797, but religious tension didn't stop there. In 799, Diogene adopted Iconoclasm again and the next year he converted to the Western Church.

At home, Elpidios had some problems. The County of Drepanon was controlled by another Strategos and the Count of Syrte was killed in an explosion in 790, without issue the title was inherited by Elpidios. Since the Basileus didn't permit his vassals to make war against each other Elpidios tried to undermined his authority. Soon enough the Doux presented an ultimatum to Diogene who relinquished to the demand. Drepanon was retaken in 793. Also Elpidios didn't realised that the Count of Djerba was grant a title of Strategos by the Basileus and that he wasn't his vassal anymore. Djerba fell in 800 and was grant to Elpidios' son Theophanes.

Elpidios died peacefully of old age in 804.

Doux Elpidios had three children:
- Countess Theognosia (769- ) married matrieneally to Count Micheal Rangabes of Rhodes and Malta. Who was the heiress for 14 years and educated has such.
- Queen Agne (782- ) married to King Desiderius II of Lombardy. Not the sharpest tool around.
- Doux Theophanes (783- ) married to Countess Anna Aineidas of Leptis Magna. Portrait of his father, he replaced him as Protostator of the Empire, but not as Strategos of Sicily.
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« Reply #9096 on: December 05, 2015, 02:46:59 pm »

So I've been trying to run my first republic game, and I have no idea what's going on. I organized into a republic after I united Finland (and converted my heir to orthodox by sending him to be tutored by Bulgarian mercenaries, he was the one who actually made the switch) but all of my previously tribal vassals are becoming feudal now instead of republican. Is that supposed to happen? I thought that they would become the heads of the other patrician families, but it just pulled random dudes with no holdings from my capital. The malus for being the wrong religion was bad enough, but "wrong government -30" is approaching crippling on top of the short reign penalty.

Edit: They rebelled and I replaced them. I suppose the issue worked itself out.
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« Reply #9097 on: December 05, 2015, 04:35:56 pm »

So I've been trying to run my first republic game, and I have no idea what's going on. I organized into a republic after I united Finland (and converted my heir to orthodox by sending him to be tutored by Bulgarian mercenaries, he was the one who actually made the switch) but all of my previously tribal vassals are becoming feudal now instead of republican. Is that supposed to happen? I thought that they would become the heads of the other patrician families, but it just pulled random dudes with no holdings from my capital. The malus for being the wrong religion was bad enough, but "wrong government -30" is approaching crippling on top of the short reign penalty.

Edit: They rebelled and I replaced them. I suppose the issue worked itself out.

Sometimes the vassals become normal (non-playable) republics, sometimes they become feudal, I don't really know why though.
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« Reply #9098 on: December 05, 2015, 07:08:16 pm »

I was struck by the desire to play this, but update.  I dont think the save will transfer, and I think itd be hard to run 700 years in a month
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« Reply #9099 on: December 05, 2015, 11:25:28 pm »

So I've been trying to run my first republic game, and I have no idea what's going on. I organized into a republic after I united Finland (and converted my heir to orthodox by sending him to be tutored by Bulgarian mercenaries, he was the one who actually made the switch) but all of my previously tribal vassals are becoming feudal now instead of republican. Is that supposed to happen? I thought that they would become the heads of the other patrician families, but it just pulled random dudes with no holdings from my capital. The malus for being the wrong religion was bad enough, but "wrong government -30" is approaching crippling on top of the short reign penalty.

Edit: They rebelled and I replaced them. I suppose the issue worked itself out.

Sometimes the vassals become normal (non-playable) republics, sometimes they become feudal, I don't really know why though.

Is it not to do with the capital holding (castle, town or temple) of the county?

I've never really tried a Republic, but in my present game I do have a single Republic vassal who utterly loathes me: -30 wrong government, -20 crown authority, -19 foreigner, -10 for imperial law, -20 desires kingdom title and probably a few other things. My chancellor is more or less camped in Genoa so I can make at least one of the patrician families Scottish...

Pretty good game I've got going. Vassalised the pope and reformed the Holy Roman Empire (I'm not sure how interesting that's meant to be though... not very apparently) and have Britain, Spain, most of Italy and France as well as Africa from Morocco/Mauretania all the way over to the border with Egypt, owned by the Mubakarid Caliphate, who I rival for power.

Waiting for the Aztecs, see if I can beat them back without much bother. I can field about 130k troops, which is a pain to organise, but ah well.

Is there a limit to how I often you can request crusades?
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« Reply #9100 on: December 05, 2015, 11:50:22 pm »

I believe that crusades can be requested once every... Thirty years? Fifty? Something like that, preventing you from spamming them to gain all of the infidel kingdoms. Unless you are Muslim, in which case you have the Invasion CB to do just that... But aside from the required delay between crusades, I am certain that no hard limit exists to how many of them you can call. So using them whenever you can is a very good idea.

Also, fair warning, Aztec event troops go through levies like a knife through butter. Obviously you still want levies for the numbers, but you need to back them up with retinues and mercenaries when facing the Aztecs. Retinues on one flank, mercenaries on the other and levies in the center should work well, depending on what type of retinues you use and the generals leading the different wings of the army. Find some nice, defendable terrain on the coast (so you can ship in/out supporting armies to avoid attrition) and the Aztec armies shouldn't be much trouble. Hopefully.
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« Reply #9101 on: December 06, 2015, 04:59:37 pm »

I believe that crusades can be requested once every... Thirty years? Fifty?

Here you go.
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« Reply #9102 on: December 06, 2015, 05:54:08 pm »

I was struck by the desire to play this, but update.  I dont think the save will transfer, and I think itd be hard to run 700 years in a month

Some of the chatter on the Paradox forums seems to indicate that the save will transfer depending on when you last updated.  The most latest patch supposedly only effects mongol behavior so won't interfere with the save.  The patch before the latest one (around September?) caused me trouble, but I also bought some new expansions which could also be the issue.

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« Reply #9103 on: December 06, 2015, 07:00:41 pm »

Why fight Aztecs or doom Mongols for that matter
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« Reply #9104 on: December 06, 2015, 08:09:31 pm »

Well I figured starting couldn't hurt too much. :)

Just today.  I died of the fluenza on November 8, 769, then of depression summer of 770, then  on January 3rd, 769 (3 days into the game) and then I died in combat whle mindlessly joining wars with my whole army numbering a fierce 331 troops :|

After that, I rolled up again, and my liege died of me-induced stress (for outing his lovers, spreadng the rumors, etc) and then I murderzed hs fat slovernly son, and then the 1 year old son of that  guy.


I just murderzed my way through 3 generations and inherited the High Chiefdom, going from 300 troops to 1800.


pedit:  I raised the two gen2 daughters of the high chief's line, and made one my ward.  While I was murderizing my way across my country they turned 16, and I made my ward my concubine.  I can imagine that.  I killed her grandfather, father, and brother, raised her under my direct supervision, and when she came out the other side with 25 diplomacy I concubined her.
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