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Author Topic: Crusader Kings 2 is released.  (Read 1186962 times)

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Re: Crusader Kings 2 is released.
« Reply #14881 on: October 31, 2019, 09:46:17 am »

I admit, I'm not looking forward to CK3, for the most part, but the fact that dynasties have mottos now, I wonder how quickly the CK2 community will customize them by including dick jokes in Latin.

Also, Dynasty Heads: Does that mean that if you're a lowly count of Bumfuck, and your same-dynasty liege's a king of Shitburghia, and you're not a Dynasty Head, does that mean the strategy to make some children ASAP to secure the succession will not work anymore, unless the king of Shitburghia likes you? Because then, I've mixed feelings about this.
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Re: Crusader Kings 2 is released.
« Reply #14882 on: October 31, 2019, 09:58:01 am »

dick jokes in Latin.
"Pēdīcābō ego vōs et irrumābō"

Yay cadet branches!
These new additions really make CK2's dynasty system look very simplistic. But sometimes, simple is good. The whole dynast and family head system feels like another layer of in-game politics to worry about
 
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Re: Crusader Kings 2 is released.
« Reply #14883 on: October 31, 2019, 10:03:31 am »

Yay cadet branches!
These new additions really make CK2's dynasty system look very simplistic. But sometimes, simple is good. The whole dynast and family head system feels like another layer of in-game politics to worry about

Meh, more layers are needed, lest it'll be like Stellaris and Hearts of Iron 4, AKA too streamlined and simplistic.

EDIT: How did it autocorrect to "streaming"?
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Re: Crusader Kings 2 is released.
« Reply #14884 on: October 31, 2019, 10:30:17 am »

how do people feel about moving this to a CK3 thread? almost 1000 pages here, neh?
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Re: Crusader Kings 2 is released.
« Reply #14885 on: October 31, 2019, 10:31:47 am »

how do people feel about moving this to a CK3 thread? almost 1000 pages here, neh?

Just 596


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« Reply #14886 on: October 31, 2019, 10:44:00 am »

how do people feel about moving this to a CK3 thread? almost 1000 pages here, neh?

Just 596

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Re: Crusader Kings 2 is released.
« Reply #14887 on: October 31, 2019, 11:22:34 am »

I would prefer a generic CK thread instead of a dedicated CK3 one, to be fair.
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Re: Crusader Kings 2 is released.
« Reply #14888 on: October 31, 2019, 11:31:28 am »

A simple change of the thread title and there ya go

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Re: Crusader Kings 2 is released.
« Reply #14889 on: October 31, 2019, 04:42:26 pm »

A simple change of the thread title and there ya go

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yeah, that's why there's the discussion in the first place

But while we don't have consensus on this, here's a little something...
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Re: Crusader Kings 2 is released.
« Reply #14890 on: October 31, 2019, 05:24:37 pm »

I'd prefer a general CK thread since people are probably still going to be playing CK2 even after CK3 comes out.

The one thing I have to wonder about the dynasty/house system is if there is a way to break away and make your own dynasty. You lose all the renown and legacies but don't have to deal with your dynast anymore for instance. Seems like getting titles claimed all the time would get annoying if you're not the dynast. Guess it depends on how hard it is to become the dynast.
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Re: Crusader Kings 2 is released.
« Reply #14891 on: October 31, 2019, 06:53:01 pm »

The dynastic prestige system was something that from the very beginning, I wished they would do more with.
I'd prefer a general CK thread since people are probably still going to be playing CK2 even after CK3 comes out.

The one thing I have to wonder about the dynasty/house system is if there is a way to break away and make your own dynasty. You lose all the renown and legacies but don't have to deal with your dynast anymore for instance. Seems like getting titles claimed all the time would get annoying if you're not the dynast. Guess it depends on how hard it is to become the dynast.
I think the player is meant to generally be the dynast, but presumably AI dynast will be weighted not to be a tremendous pain in the ass. It doesn't really sound like you can abandon your blood in that way, though. I sort of considered it the thinking man's win condition. The actual score mechanic was oriented towards a far more direct and domineering play which was comparatively sort of the scrub's option, although pretty much every update to the game supported that, especially the addition of the far more warlike pagans.
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« Reply #14892 on: November 01, 2019, 08:15:57 am »

The dynastic prestige system was something that from the very beginning, I wished they would do more with.
I'd prefer a general CK thread since people are probably still going to be playing CK2 even after CK3 comes out.

The one thing I have to wonder about the dynasty/house system is if there is a way to break away and make your own dynasty. You lose all the renown and legacies but don't have to deal with your dynast anymore for instance. Seems like getting titles claimed all the time would get annoying if you're not the dynast. Guess it depends on how hard it is to become the dynast.
I think the player is meant to generally be the dynast, but presumably AI dynast will be weighted not to be a tremendous pain in the ass.

oh i dont think thats necessarily true. it will often be true, sure, because most playable characters aren't from a big dynasty with tons of branches, and tend to be playable because they're a ruler with no living ancestors, having inherited from their father.

however there are lots of scenarios where the playable character isn't the dynast, because the dynasty holds tons of different titles all over the place - Jimenez in Iberia, Yaroslavs in Kiev, even minor stuff like if you chose to play as Count Robert of Maine (William the Bastard's son). so the player might mostly be the dynast, and once you become the dynast, i'm not sure how/why you'd ever lose it - your primary heir would generally succeed to your titles and head-of-dynasty. i guess it would possible if your primary title had different inheritance rules.

The devblog describe some ways you end up founding your own dynasty, though, so that's always an option too.
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« Reply #14893 on: November 01, 2019, 09:57:14 am »

I think the player is meant to generally be the dynast, but presumably AI dynast will be weighted not to be a tremendous pain in the ass.

oh i dont think thats necessarily true. [...] so the player might mostly be the dynast
Hence "generally". [/quote] once you become the dynast, i'm not sure how/why you'd ever lose it - your primary heir would generally succeed to your titles and head-of-dynasty. i guess it would possible if your primary title had different inheritance rules.

The devblog describe some ways you end up founding your own dynasty, though, so that's always an option too.
[/quote]I think you're mixing up dynasty and house. Houses are subgroups within the dynasty. The house head is likely to stay in one place as you suggest, because it follows normal succession, however the dynast is always the most "powerful" (however that's measured) house head. So it can move around. But my suspicion is that generally, the player will be the most powerful, by virtue of being smarter than the AI, and so will be the dynast. Besides which, the features of the dynast seem more like something designed for players.
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« Reply #14894 on: November 02, 2019, 06:44:56 am »

yeah, that's true. i mean, it's all very interesting. there might be a lot of assumptions we have about how ck2 works that won't hold true in ck3, like how title inheritance works vs how your next playable character is selected. it's pretty unclear.

this game is allegedly coming out next year, right?
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