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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #2460 on: June 10, 2024, 10:52:18 am »

I'm not sure I understand the merit of this line of the discussion - everyone's just talking past each other.

Gaza is basically under siege; of course there is going to be famine in the besieged group. That's one of the methods by which a siege realizes its goals.

War sucks, for many reasons. This is one of those reasons.
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« Reply #2461 on: June 10, 2024, 11:02:46 am »

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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #2462 on: June 10, 2024, 11:21:27 am »

Enough grass or wood you can burn to boil water? Probably used by others.

Eating your daily amount of calories but also having dysentery while you are resting under a sun-shelter made from a bed sheet and a few tent poles, how does that work?

Applying nutrition standards to "households" implies a few other things... a house, potable water, some amount of sewage control, etc...
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #2463 on: June 13, 2024, 01:02:31 am »

Gaza is basically under siege; of course there is going to be famine in the besieged group. That's one of the methods by which a siege realizes its goals.


No, there is NO famine in Gaza. Under any reasonable definition of this word. Sure, if you define famine as "there is less access to food than in a normally functioning society at peacetime." there is a famine but it is not what this word means in any source with any credibility. It is not how a random person understands it. It is not how humanitarian organizations define it.

Like, UN's definition of famine is 2+ starvation-caused deaths out of 10000 people per day. Therefore, to claim that there is famine in all of Gaza, you need to provide evidence of 400+ people dying of starvation daily. Declaring famine in some parts of Gaza is easier but it still requires a lot of dead and malnourished people. They are simply not there.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #2464 on: June 13, 2024, 01:12:03 pm »

Ok... try not using the word "famine".

If you limit the food and water intake for people for a long period of time, people die at a higher rate, but they also end up looking emaciated.

Put the word "emaciated" into google and surf the images you find. Then, put "emaciated holocaust" in google and surf those images. You'll get the idea...
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #2465 on: June 13, 2024, 01:52:10 pm »

“Nuance” is not in Strongpoint’s vocabulary.
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Re: Non-EU europe thread (with Russia, Israel and Australia included)
« Reply #2466 on: June 13, 2024, 05:29:34 pm »

Ok... try not using the word "famine".

If you limit the food and water intake for people for a long period of time, people die at a higher rate, but they also end up looking emaciated.

Put the word "emaciated" into google and surf the images you find. Then, put "emaciated holocaust" in google and surf those images. You'll get the idea...

I am confused. My point is that I see no evidence of any significant number of emaciated people present in Gaza. Something I expect to see in an area with a famine. I am sure that if we had thousands of emaciated people, Al-Jazeera would show them (or their corpses) 24/7.


You seem to misunderstand what annoys me in this situation. I hate lies and propaganda especially when they are using real tragedies. There are food shortages. Those shortages are caused by Israel, as I wrote somewhere above - the occupying force has a duty to provide basic necessities to civilians on territories they occupy.

There are deaths and suffering caused by the very real lack of food, there are people who experience very real starvation.

But many things are simply not true.

1) Israel is using hunger as a weapon in a medieval-style siege

It does not. Starvation is caused not by lack of food imports. It is caused by the collapse of infrastructure, lack of order, HAMAS being HAMAS, and a sad fact that a trip for food is dangerous for your life. Problems are way more severe in the north than in the besieged south.
Perhaps war would be already over with fewer casualties if Israel did go for total blockade leaving HAMAS with no supplies but it never happened.

2) There is a terrible, terrible famine in Gaza, worse than in Yemen, Sudan, Haiti, and many more places.

No, there is no terrible famine in Gaza.

3) There WILL be a famine in Gaza in 1-2 months

This prediction has been repeated again and again since October. It never happened. One may say that those predictions themself caused pressure on Israel\mobilize the international community and prevented the famine. But the fact is that those predictions are wrong every time and it is time to be sceptical.


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To add something else...

A large Israeli-Lebanon war looks inevitable. I don't believe that Israel will show restraint and limit itself to precision strikes for much longer.
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