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delphonso

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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #46275 on: Today at 10:56:27 pm »

Who determines what is truth? Liberal fact-checkers? The government? For free speech to exist you need a public debate, not silencing opponents. It's obvious why so many are vaccine hesitant, and they aren't by and large the Trump demographic.

I think you might be stuck in a liberal circle-jerk that makes you blindly accept anything the MSM tell you as fact.

Bumber this is highly insulting. Most of the topics in the news have research and evidence we can look at to fact-check. All the anti-vax stuff flies in the face of international cooperation and research. Evidence from actual legitimate published studies is being shot down by the Right's media. The "evidence" or "facts" the Right pushes are consistently pre-published and poorly done studies. Ivermectin is a great example of this particular issue. Institutional racism, transgenderism, and even economic strategies all have plenty of evidence from real scientific studies that goes against what the Right is pushing.

I reckon most of the people in this thread you deem as lefties don't ingest mainstream media - mostly because we're actual leftists, not The Democrats (who are objectively center-right.) And even there, we have a broad range of differing opinions, the nuances of which seem to escape you.


You're thinking of the 1st Amendment. The term "censorship" applies to any organization:
Censorship can be conducted by governments,[5] private institutions, and other controlling bodies.

Sure, I'll give you this - but what is the issue here, if it isn't governmental censorship? As roboto says - if I get banned from r/StoptheSteal, should I winge about not having a real debate? You yourself called it misinformation - which it is, objectively. This isn't a debate, Bumber. There are people out there actively running offense to make you ignorant, and they seem to be winning.

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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #46276 on: Today at 11:04:37 pm »

What does conservative even mean in 2021? Not trying to be rude or provocative, but I really don't know. To be frank, I've only ever known it as a byword for those who do not care and do not want to care about others (on both a personal and vaguely national level).

When I was a kid it was sold to me as those who are responsible with their money; "fiscal conservatives", but as I've gotten older and kept in touch with those same people it doesn't seem much like they're interested in the conservation or responsible use of money or any other resource. Largely, it seems like they are concerned with conformity, hierarchy, worth (the value of a life, et al.), and idk... this competitive mindset that all humans are dirtbags who would destroy each other without a firm hand guiding the ship of state. In one way or another, most specific issues seem to boil down to these things.

I ask because from the POV of anyone who isn't a modern "conservative", and I'm not really sure if that term is correct, maybe "reactionary" or "nationalist" or "in support of magnates/oligarchs/strongmen" is more accurate, it's essentially having a conversation in bad faith. There are problems with the USA--big, glaring, lethal problems that hurt and kill Americans on the daily. Do conservatives deny that? If they do, how do we even proceed to engage a group of Americans who think things are Goin' Greattm that actually we're in quite a dangerous and volatile situation in both American and International politics/history? If they don't, are they apathetic--they don't care as long as they get theirs? Or are they malicious--in support of destroying or oppressing what they perceive as "other", a group outside of those we consider to be "American"?

It's a difficult problem, because life really isn't that great for the vast majority of Americans and the current discourse is basically all backsliding into brutality and control or trying to prevent that. It's a difficult problem because all of the problems that are huge huge issues today are very important--but they're really just distractions for all peoples in the US to prevent us from asking our government, "Hey, why ISN'T our life better???" That's over simplifying it, but aside from absolute loony-bin radical right-wing agitators who will basically say anything to rile up a crowd, I have no idea what a "conservative" stands for or what they want, or why they're so opposed to others have better lives.
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« Reply #46277 on: Today at 11:25:16 pm »

There's always the occasional dumb event that every conservative media group talks about at once, because they need every single instance they can point to defend their insane beliefs. One group of college students acts poorly, and 4 years later it's used as evidence that there is a national (if not global) attempt to silence conservatives. Funny how there were no links for the other examples. Perhaps a little less defensible, hmmmm?

I get the feeling that if someone was convicted of trying to falsify the DNC giving orders to media to silence someone, Bumber wouldn't suddenly go "O! this attempt to frame the DNC for giving order to the media means other accusations that they gave orders to the media are false!". But he will declare that the Steele dossier is wrong because someone else forged a separate claim (assuming it's actually forged. There isn't exactly a good track record for accuracy here and the link that Bumber provided doesn't necessarily say this).
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