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« Reply #131790 on: March 21, 2018, 12:36:17 am »

Sometimes I really want to just go all revolution on all the awful people ruining my country with their greed. I'm normally quite a rational person but this god damn period in history is driving me crazy. I can see everything that is fucked and why and cant do a damn thing about it. I is infuriating. This is why this stupid shit cant last. It's all going to go down in flames if someone does not fix it.

It seemed to last just fine for the past few hundred years, and even that was with much laxer regulation. Nothing's gonna crash and burn, not yet.
Except it has in several places for various reasons showing the vulnerability of our systems and the the problems have only accelerated. Things are coming to a head around the world and I would rather evolution then revolution.
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No, actually, the problems have not accelerated. Compared with a hundred years ago, we are infinitely better off. Modern medicine, new technology, more corporate regulation, higher wages, bigger economy, various social changes, etc. etc. etc. Yes, there are still problems. Yes, we have to fix them. But people in this thread regularly like to forget how much better lives they live than like 90% of the world population.

I am fully aware of the world spending many many hours studying it. And I know all about the history of which you speak. and I don't just know stuff in brief I know the god damn theory used in contemporary study. And it says things are fucked and growing more so in many areas. The narrative of progress is covering the deep and growing problems. And I don't think we are doing a good enough job fighting them around the world. And I'm an optimist about most things.

To be more clear. I'm currently in a state of cynicism and anger that is making me lean over the line between cautious optimism and cynicism with caveats about the future. It probably will pass.
You most likely get that feeling probably because negative events cause more of a stir and are reported more often than positive ones. There have been many positive changes in the world recently; with the conviction of Martin Shkreli, the ousting of President Zuma and his dynasty in South Africa, nuclear disarmament talks with North Korea, to name just a few. The world continues to produce good things, even with setbacks like the Trump administration and Brexit.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #131791 on: March 21, 2018, 01:18:10 am »

Sometimes I really want to just go all revolution on all the awful people ruining my country with their greed. I'm normally quite a rational person but this god damn period in history is driving me crazy. I can see everything that is fucked and why and cant do a damn thing about it. I is infuriating. This is why this stupid shit cant last. It's all going to go down in flames if someone does not fix it.

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Sometimes I really want to just go all revolution on all the awful people ruining my country with their greed. I'm normally quite a rational person but this god damn period in history is driving me crazy. I can see everything that is fucked and why and cant do a damn thing about it. I is infuriating. This is why this stupid shit cant last. It's all going to go down in flames if someone does not fix it.

It seemed to last just fine for the past few hundred years, and even that was with much laxer regulation. Nothing's gonna crash and burn, not yet.
Except it has in several places for various reasons showing the vulnerability of our systems and the the problems have only accelerated. Things are coming to a head around the world and I would rather evolution then revolution.
*sigh*

No, actually, the problems have not accelerated. Compared with a hundred years ago, we are infinitely better off. Modern medicine, new technology, more corporate regulation, higher wages, bigger economy, various social changes, etc. etc. etc. Yes, there are still problems. Yes, we have to fix them. But people in this thread regularly like to forget how much better lives they live than like 90% of the world population.


Well, that may be the case when compared to a hundred years ago, that is true. The problem is when compared to fifty years ago, we are worse off, and heading in the unpreferable direction from there.
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« Reply #131792 on: March 21, 2018, 01:52:22 am »

Are you forgetting about the cold war?

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« Reply #131793 on: March 21, 2018, 02:09:30 am »

Every person in history has thought these things about his own particular time period. Seriously, I can point you to an example from about four thousand years ago. Somehow, the world endures.
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« Reply #131794 on: March 21, 2018, 02:27:46 am »

Are you forgetting about the cold war?
As well as the civil rights movement.
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« Reply #131795 on: March 21, 2018, 03:01:45 am »

You'd probably wake the Deep Ones. BLUE HADES
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« Reply #131796 on: March 21, 2018, 04:12:00 am »

Well, that may be the case when compared to a hundred years ago, that is true. The problem is when compared to fifty years ago, we are worse off, and heading in the unpreferable direction from there.
... no, fifty years back was pretty shit, too. I'm not even sure what metric you'd point to to make the claim things have gone downhill relative the 60s-70s. There's some isolated ones I can think of with a little thinking, but they tend to be offset by other stuff or specific to a fairly limited region.

There is a few things trending poorly over the course of the last five or ten years, and stuff like environmental damage is still accumulating even as awareness and attempts to mitigate the effects skyrockets relative to a half century ago, but... most places are still largely better off. You could probably get me to non-metaphorically bet on it just due to lead poisoning finally starting to get out our collective systems, ha.

It's difficult to understate just how shit the past was, really. Majority of the refuges I've seen to attempt to host the claim are founded substantially more in ignorance (i.e. the issue was still there and probably a bigger problem, we just didn't have the sodding information to know it statistics wise) than reality.
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« Reply #131797 on: March 21, 2018, 05:20:41 am »

So in a span of two weeks the weather here went from snow and rain to being able to get away with a t-shirt and hoodie sunshine with 20°C and now back to goddamn rain and snow again.

It's the first fucking day of spring in a mediterranean climate region, what the fuck is snow doing here.
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« Reply #131798 on: March 21, 2018, 06:44:08 am »

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« Reply #131799 on: March 21, 2018, 06:46:05 am »

Um ._. Are you okay, Frumple? :-[

Recently worried a lot by a neighbor's dog being alone and crying because of being alone (they're not at home) the whole afternoon. When I got a chance to talk to them about it...I discovered it was a punishment because it kept running away to another neighbor's dog. So cheers to presuming that they're lovers and all. >_> But yay to getting in touch with a nice neighbor.
Still hurt a lot to hear that the whole day! :'(
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« Reply #131800 on: March 21, 2018, 08:23:09 am »

Well, that may be the case when compared to a hundred years ago, that is true. The problem is when compared to fifty years ago, we are worse off, and heading in the unpreferable direction from there.
... no, fifty years back was pretty shit, too. I'm not even sure what metric you'd point to to make the claim things have gone downhill relative the 60s-70s. There's some isolated ones I can think of with a little thinking, but they tend to be offset by other stuff or specific to a fairly limited region.

There is a few things trending poorly over the course of the last five or ten years, and stuff like environmental damage is still accumulating even as awareness and attempts to mitigate the effects skyrockets relative to a half century ago, but... most places are still largely better off. You could probably get me to non-metaphorically bet on it just due to lead poisoning finally starting to get out our collective systems, ha.

It's difficult to understate just how shit the past was, really. Majority of the refuges I've seen to attempt to host the claim are founded substantially more in ignorance (i.e. the issue was still there and probably a bigger problem, we just didn't have the sodding information to know it statistics wise) than reality.

Fifty years ago pros: Stronger economy, less liberalism, more socialism, less toxic individualism, a people that wasn't dying off, functional police and legal system, less corruption, less organised crime, shrinking wealth discrepancy, shrinking class differences, and so on.

Now pros: More cultural tolerance towards many peoples and groups, less institutional intolerance, scientific and technical advances.
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« Reply #131801 on: March 21, 2018, 08:41:51 am »

Well, that may be the case when compared to a hundred years ago, that is true. The problem is when compared to fifty years ago, we are worse off, and heading in the unpreferable direction from there.
... no, fifty years back was pretty shit, too. I'm not even sure what metric you'd point to to make the claim things have gone downhill relative the 60s-70s. There's some isolated ones I can think of with a little thinking, but they tend to be offset by other stuff or specific to a fairly limited region.

There is a few things trending poorly over the course of the last five or ten years, and stuff like environmental damage is still accumulating even as awareness and attempts to mitigate the effects skyrockets relative to a half century ago, but... most places are still largely better off. You could probably get me to non-metaphorically bet on it just due to lead poisoning finally starting to get out our collective systems, ha.

It's difficult to understate just how shit the past was, really. Majority of the refuges I've seen to attempt to host the claim are founded substantially more in ignorance (i.e. the issue was still there and probably a bigger problem, we just didn't have the sodding information to know it statistics wise) than reality.

Fifty years ago pros: Stronger economy, less liberalism, more socialism, less toxic individualism, a people that wasn't dying off, functional police and legal system, less corruption, less organised crime, shrinking wealth discrepancy, shrinking class differences, and so on.

Now pros: More cultural tolerance towards many peoples and groups, less institutional intolerance, scientific and technical advances.

More now pros: Political stability in most places in the world for the time being (RIP Ukraine and the middle east), a booming video game industry, more effort being made to protect the environment, better care for mental health, the Internet.

I’ll be honest, those additional pros aren’t really that great, but the truth is, you really undersell the value of “More cultural tolerance towards many people and groups”. Most of those things you mentioned aren’t really worth anything if you’re constantly being persecuted for who you are.

I do agree that if you were a straight, neurotypical, American, white, cisgender, male things probably were better for you 50 years ago, but as someone who only fails one of those criteria, I genuinely do wonder how I would have survived back then.
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« Reply #131802 on: March 21, 2018, 08:44:28 am »

Ah. The seagull avengress, protector of pizzas everywhere.

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There’s a soap which looks like semen; and that’s hilarious in itself. Try not to stare uncomfortably at a glob of it in the palm of your hand and going “I mean, I could just lick it this once”.
The results will be less gross, but most assuredly more toxic.

Also, fifty years ago when things were better, a few thousand people died in London during a calm because of toxic smog.
So, maybe environment can go on there too.
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« Reply #131803 on: March 21, 2018, 10:05:33 am »

Um ._. Are you okay, Frumple? :-[
M'fine, so far as that mess goes. Just occasionally offput by the aesthetics of bath products. It's easier to notice when I'm awake earlier than I want to be.

Fifty years ago pros: Stronger economy, less liberalism, more socialism, less toxic individualism, a people that wasn't dying off, functional police and legal system, less corruption, less organised crime, shrinking wealth discrepancy, shrinking class differences, and so on.
Eh. I'd give the less liberalism and more socialism, if question how much the former was actually a pro (assuming the european usage of the term, anyway; less of the american one was unquestionably not a pro) relative to conditions at the time. The messy bits of that stuff were just starting to take off around that point, far as I can recall, and the junk can be useful in small quantities.

Economy being stronger depends a hell of a lot on what you mean by that. It was certainly growing faster, but that only means so much at the end of the day. In most ways the economy today could bend the economy of yesteryear over its knee and snap it in half, and some of the ways it can't are probably for the better.

"Toxic individualism" is frankly an improvement considering what it's been supplanting, to the extent it actually exists. Yelled at or whatever's a fair bit better than getting the shit beat out of you for opening your mouth. Plenty of people (if you're talking ethnic groups) were dying off, and as a general thing the statement's bullshit unless you're thinking of a specific one -- humanity's population is still cheerfully rising, so our "people" are doing alright so far as propagation goes.

Police and the legal system were at least as fucked up back then. What's changed is awareness more than the rot in those particular sorts of institutions. Similarly corruption was sodding rampant, to the point most things these days are an improvement. It's just a hell of a lot harder to hide the shit and people seem to be somewhat less blaise about casual corruption.

Wealth disparity and class differences don't look like they were shrinking, either, or at the absolute least not much... holding steady, though, sure. Which I'd agree is an improvement if it weren't for the fact that that holding steady was apparently building the base for both of those to start shooting up in the 70s-80s. Organized crime I can't find info worth a damn on. Be pretty surprised if its influence has increased much relative to a half century ago, though. Raw size, probably, but most things have on that front what with the extra however many people piddling around.

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Also decreased violence, heh. That tolerance stuff also involves reductions in a hell of a lot of asshattery, though it still has a helluva' ways to go on that front. The scientific and technical advances are friggin' huge, too; healthcare, all sorts of safety/comfort/etc. junk. Buncha' other crap, really.

Even as piss poor as my personal situation is in a lot of ways, it's better than it would have been just two or three decades ago, never mind a half century or better, and so far as racial et al characteristics go I'm pretty damn well off. Fuck da' police past, yo'. Ain't nobody then wanted to live there, either, or its crap would have hung on harder :V
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« Reply #131804 on: March 21, 2018, 10:26:09 am »

“But apart from all of that! What have the Romans ever done for us?”
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