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Author Topic: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O  (Read 5889771 times)

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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #133410 on: May 08, 2018, 05:41:53 am »

I was responding to Jopax's assertion that beefhearts are some of the juiciest and tastiest tomatoes around.

And you somehow managed to find a picture of heirlooms that actually look nice, shame on you!

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« Reply #133411 on: May 08, 2018, 06:02:07 am »

Again, no idea how they are in your part of the world but here they look kinda like some of those heirlooms in that picture and they're about as tomato as they get.

I think this might be one of those "my nutella isn't the same as your nutella" types of situations where yes it's generally the same thing in name but there's regional variation to take into account.

If you're ever in the balkans I suggest you try the produce, it's pretty damn good.
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« Reply #133412 on: May 08, 2018, 06:26:03 am »

Looking at some other photos, that does seem to be the likely case. What gets marketed as "Beefheart" in the states is generally just extra-large, very symmetrical tomatoes that are the epitome of everything wrong with breeding for appearance. They're huge and a very "clean" pale red color, but have almost no flavor and are extremely watery.

You ever get those massive, translucent tomato slices on fast food burgers or whatnot? That's beefheart. Or at least what gets passed as being such.

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« Reply #133413 on: May 08, 2018, 06:39:13 am »

Jopax:

In the US, people do not cook anymore.  No. Really. They don't cook any more. It is becoming a lost skill.
As such, the people tend to buy based on appearance, rather than actual quality. (Again, because they do not have the needed skills or knowledge to pick good produce.)

You can see that exemplified in this totally ordinary looking US supermarket produce section.


Note the uniform size, color, texture, and shine of those McMatos. All are bland and flavorless, and often do not properly yield to the gentle touch like a properly ripe tomato should.  People just do not know any better, and are known to simply NOT BUY proper tomatoes when they are presented on the shelf.

If your supermarkets stock actual proper tomatoes, and people still know how to shop for them, use them, and how to cook delicious food at home-- GOOD.

That is not the case on this side of the salty pond.
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« Reply #133414 on: May 08, 2018, 06:53:48 am »

Supermarkets can't win, really - often the veggies on sale at the local one look bruised and horrid, so I avoid them, considering all the horror stories one hears about old, preservative-packed vegetables being shuffled around their produce section for months or years after they should have been either eaten or scrapped.

Who knows, maybe they just have more-natural produce on sale, but after winding up with awful, stale fruit and veg on at least a couple of occasions, I'd much rather go to an actual fruit shop/grocer (or whatever they're supposed to be called) for fresh veg.

...Of course, I have no qualms about buying tinned beans and bags of lettuce or spinach. >.>
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« Reply #133415 on: May 08, 2018, 07:04:03 am »

"Strawberry flavour" tastes like neither wild nor cultivated strawberries. That's my point.
Eh? No, it tastes like cultivated ones at the absolute least. Not a 100% match but it's close enough you can tell the similarity.
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« Reply #133416 on: May 08, 2018, 07:05:01 am »

I recently found out about the joys of wholefoods market.   Best produce section Ive ever seen on a reliable basis.
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« Reply #133417 on: May 08, 2018, 07:06:25 am »

One should always wash their produce before use. If nothing else, because other people have handled the produce with their nasty bare hands, and who knows here those have been.

A small bruise, a healed over scar on the tomato, a slight shriveling on the pepper...  Those things are death sentences to supermarket produce. they are literally thrown into a landfill. People think that a growth scar on the tomato means it has been mishandled. No, it means it was exposed to rain. Yes, RAIN. (Basically, when the tomato was ripening, it rained, and the tomato plant pushed lots of water into the fruit, and the skin could not contain the pressure, and it split. The fruit then healed over during the rest of the ripening process, leaving a brownish tough scar. It is a superficial blemish, and you should just cut that bit of skin off. No big whoop.) A slight bruise on the tomato can come from some slackjawed maroon being told that you should gently squeeze the tomato to determine ripeness, and not knowing what they are doing, and crushinating the poor thing. If you cannot tell the difference between a mishandled tomato, and a nearly rotten one, you should not be buying tomatoes. :P

For starters, ripe (and also nearly rotten) tomatoes have a distinct smell (respectively.) When shopping for produce, the appearance is inconsequential; you are going to cut the silly thing up, not turn it into a table decoration. Select for proper odor, texture, and indicators of proper ripeness. Most people do not know all the little things you should look for when selecting quality produce. Appearance is the least concerning. Bad texture from improperly ripened produce, bad (or worse still, ODORLESS!!) smelling produce, and produce with active decay are what you should avoid, not uniformity of color, shiny skin, uniform shape/size, etc.
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« Reply #133418 on: May 08, 2018, 07:07:11 am »

Escalators. 
Japan: everyone stays on left side, so people in rush could pass on the right
China/Hong Kong: 'please don't walk' reminder is endlessly spammed, at least at the airports, buncha signs for no walking in other places that have em
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« Reply #133419 on: May 08, 2018, 07:09:05 am »

UK: sometimes USA, sometimes Japan.
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« Reply #133420 on: May 08, 2018, 07:15:55 am »

I missed the produce discussion. I work in a produce department in the USA and I can tell you people here have no fucking idea what good produce is. I'd rant and rave but it's early and I have no energy.
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« Reply #133421 on: May 08, 2018, 07:30:34 am »

A small bruise, a healed over scar on the tomato, a slight shriveling on the pepper...  Those things are death sentences to supermarket produce.

Fun fact: the EU has put an export ban on Swedish apples for precisely this reason. Silly Germans can't handle their fruit if it's not 100% aesthetically pleasing (and also, as a result, tasteless)
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« Reply #133422 on: May 08, 2018, 07:40:02 am »

In Norway, people are usually good about "stand on the right, walk on the left"... Usually.

What people do not and cannot understand, however, is the idea of walking on one side of a two-way stair or corridor. Nope, everyone from both directions has to spread out over the whole thing and run into each other.


And there are a lot of issues with supermarket produce, not least of which arising from our desire (and thenceforth our demand) for constant access to veggies that grow in different climates and that are not currently in season. That, combined with expectations for appearance and "freshness" creates an entirely unrealistic set of requirements for the industry, which they solve by just throwing mass quantities at it and sorting out the ones that work (as well as a number of other practices, such as early harvesting and occasionally dumb shit like using polyethylene to re-wax apples). The result is a whole lotta waste of farmland, transportation, and, ultimately, the produce itself.

Canned/frozen vegetables are actually much better in this case (though certainly not without their own failings! See: Sodium content of many tinned goods), but they're generally stigmatized as being a "cheap knockoff" of the "real, fresh" produce on display. I won't deny that fresh produce has texture and taste profiles that are considerably different from their packaged varieties, I'm just talking about the whole logistics economy thingy.


So, basically... Shop at your local farmer's market, if you're in one of the places that has those. The difference between industrial supermarket produce and locally/home-grown stuff is massive, but you have to put up with the reduced convenience.

Honestly, I'm just as bad as anyone else. I buy a lot of things that are either exotics or out of season, and I'm honestly kind of a picky eater when it comes to browned/shriveled spots on produce, in addition to wanting something that requires the least amount of processing before I can eat it. I just really don't have the energy to do a lot of chopping and peeling most days.

But, hey, at least I feel guilty about doing all that! And that's what really counts, right?


Oh, wierd, were you around when I was ranting about Norwegian supermarkets trying to replace bulk leeks with pre-packaged single stalks with the greens cut off? Price by weight was also increased by 400% due to the added convenience.

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« Reply #133423 on: May 08, 2018, 07:42:29 am »

Re: Produce/

Welp, then supermarkets in Russia are all pretty good. The produce looks a bit battered, but it's tasty. Like it should be.
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« Reply #133424 on: May 08, 2018, 07:47:29 am »

Beware the farmer's market. (20 minute long video, something I need to consider when buying from small stalls).

As for produce, with blueberries, ripeness is the primary issue in my opinion. A lot of supermarkets will stock blueberries in the off-season, but there is a good 5-6 watery mushy blueberries for each decent one. My family grows a few blueberries for fun (idk the type, pretty generic), and each harvest the delicious ripe, firm berries yield far superior flavor to the supermarket. And this is without advanced agriculture techniques. Ripeness matters.

Also, for some reason, blueberries have better flavor warm than cold from the fridge, and the red berries are truly underrated.

I even eat the green ones sometimes.
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