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Author Topic: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O  (Read 6157407 times)

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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #136035 on: August 02, 2018, 06:11:29 am »

Maybe they just don't like Big Pharma

Also isn't eating dinner with Big Pharma highly unethical and/or bribery
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« Reply #136036 on: August 02, 2018, 06:40:17 am »

He’s under no obligation to buy what they’re selling, man.
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« Reply #136037 on: August 02, 2018, 06:40:51 am »

Maybe they just don't like Big Pharma

Also isn't eating dinner with Big Pharma highly unethical and/or bribery

I think acknowledging them is probably a breach of moral laws though.
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« Reply #136038 on: August 02, 2018, 07:07:14 am »

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No, it's obviously neither illegal nor unethical, or else I wouldn't have posted it.

In case someone is not aware of this: the vast majority of meetings, workgroups and conferences worldwide are sponsored by the pharmaceutical industry. They probably wouldn't take place otherwise because sure as hell goverments aren't footing the bill. There are ethical governance rules concerning this stuff.

(For instance, I have given sponsored presentations for the pharma industry, too.  One stringent rule was that I was not to promote in any way any products, of the sponsors or otherwise. Just raw clinical data.)

Also and by the way: these meetings (and the dinners afterwards) are part of the job. Flying X hours to lock myself in  a building giving technical presentations for hours and THEN go to have dinner with those same people to keep talking about the same things is not exactly my idea of fun. When I want to go on holidays proper I set up my own trip. As of late to go home, with some plans to go to the Greek islands soon when I'm able to work enough days together. With no workplace shit involved
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TBH I'm warier about bullshit trials slipping misinformation into the guidelines (eg the recent Brentuximab fiasco-- ) than about my prescription habits being affected by some rep feeding me wormy meat
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« Reply #136039 on: August 02, 2018, 07:15:50 am »

Maybe they just don't like Big Pharma

Also isn't eating dinner with Big Pharma highly unethical and/or bribery

Go see the John Oliver episode about pharma kickbacks. It's all legal.

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« Reply #136040 on: August 02, 2018, 07:16:59 am »

How would they know he was a big pharma guy? Was hea monocle user with a peculiar facial scar, dressed in an all black attrite while slowly stroking a cat with his non-metal clawed hand?
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« Reply #136041 on: August 02, 2018, 07:21:29 am »

Well, because she was openly a rep from GSK.
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« Reply #136042 on: August 02, 2018, 07:23:02 am »

I think people tend to draw parallels with political lobbyists, and how a lot of politicians are pay to play in that sense. It's different obviously, but most people don't take the time to really consider the differences.
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« Reply #136043 on: August 02, 2018, 07:31:08 am »

Honestly, if you want to find conflicts of interest, look at public/private  hybrid schemes.  I do find those highly dubious.

As far as pharma goes, like I said,  bullshit trials and hooked bait product placement schemes* are far more worrying than  sponsored dinners. I know examples of those
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« Reply #136044 on: August 02, 2018, 07:38:35 am »

How would they know he was a big pharma guy? Was hea monocle user with a peculiar facial scar, dressed in an all black attrite while slowly stroking a cat with his non-metal clawed hand?

Big Pharma company reps openly pile gifts and freebies on doctors. The tacit agreement is that the doctor is prescribing the pharma company's massively overpriced "wonderdrug" which does the same thing as the 2-cent generic version, but is all being charge to the taxpayer through Medicare or to your insurance plan, so everyone* wins!

(except the taxpayer and the actual patient, who has their Medicare allowance eaten away and/or massive increases in their insurance premiums to account for all this largesse).

It's done in ways that legally circumvent any restrictions. But that includes free high-quality restaurant food. It's a "meeting" after all, and there's no law that says the meeting cannot be in a really expensive restaurant.
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« Reply #136045 on: August 02, 2018, 07:41:09 am »

With maggoty meat. Also at best leaving the fuckups aside it was a middling good restaurant at best. Perhaps you'd like these to take place at McDonalds?

"Freebies". Heh.



Honestly going by these conspiranoic messages you'd assume that most doctors can't afford eating out or ballpoint pens.
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« Reply #136046 on: August 02, 2018, 07:43:57 am »

With maggoty meat

ikr.

No wonder the GSK sales rep was livid. He's doing his best to unethically bribe medical practitioners with lavish gifts, all while the lavish-gift-sales people are unethically delivering sub-par lavish gifts.

Well, because she was openly a rep from GSK.

The keyword being "she" here. Is she good looking?

Big Pharma reps are usually good-looking women, who don't know anything about medicine, since they're mostly hired to sell drugs to male doctors, and looks are more important for that than actually knowing what you're selling.

On the John Oliver episode about this they interview some, who were things like Politics or PR undergrads before getting the Big Pharma "doctor schmoozing" job, and one Rep mentioned that some doctors would ask them for medical opinions (despite them only having an undergrad degree in communications or something) and they'd just go "uh sure, I'm sure medicine X will be fine with condition Y" because it's their job to say the stuff is fine no matter what.
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« Reply #136047 on: August 02, 2018, 07:49:52 am »

So, I finally decided to take a good look at Twitch, it's always been on the periphery of my gaming culture knowledge, but just, jesus what the fuck? Why are so many people invested into watching other people play games? and in what is probably the most boring format possible (live, unscripted, no guarantee of actual entertainment)? It's one of those things that makes me question if I understand people at all.
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« Reply #136048 on: August 02, 2018, 07:52:07 am »

The same reasons people watch hour after hour of reality TV or spend hours scrolling through really boring update feeds on Facebook and similar.

Yeah, i don't get any of those things.
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« Reply #136049 on: August 02, 2018, 07:52:52 am »

Kee-ripes, Reelya, biased much? :P
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