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[Doomblade187]

Y'all are being pretty intolerant of paganism, to be honest.

Sure, it's pretty much a revival of the past but... so what? The past is not untouchable, and as long as you admit you're adapting stuff or even adding in new elements it's not even disrespectful to folks' very very distant ancestors who probably would even appreciate that their faith is being revived.

And as a (hellenic) pagan who's talked to a lot of other pagans... new age stuff tends to be either ignored or laughed at. Ain't never seen anyone talk about ley lines. And even if they did, as long as they admitted it's a new addition I wouldn't care. Hell, quite a few things in Christianity (Bible literalism, for one) are 20th century concepts.

Thanks for the extra perspective. And yeah, Bible literalism is a fun one. :/

[wierd]

Who/what is Kuru!

Mad cow disease, obtained by eating human flesh.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2016/09/06/482952588/when-people-ate-people-a-strange-disease-emerged

[IcyTea31]

Mad cow disease is Creutzfeld-Jacob's disease (CJD) in humans, kuru is a different prion. But don't worry about it, would-be cannibals: it's only transmitted through eating infected human flesh, not human flesh in general. As long as cannibalism isn't common in your society, the prion will be rare in turn.

[scriver]

Y'all are being pretty intolerant of paganism, to be honest.

No. I don't have to "tolerate" people spitting on my or other people's heritage.

Sure, it's pretty much a revival of the past

No, it's not. It's a facial display at best, and a grave robbing at it's worst.

[Qoute]The past is not untouchable[/quote]

Neither is your behind, that doesn't mean anyone can just put their hand on it and rummage around

[Kagus]

Sure, it's pretty much a revival of the past but... so what? The past is not untouchable, and as long as you admit you're adapting stuff or even adding in new elements it's not even disrespectful to folks' very very distant ancestors who probably would even appreciate that their faith is being revived.

So, in the case of my own witchy experience, the woman had drawn up a symbol of protection for the bar because it was the only bar in town she liked and didn't want anything to happen to it. In addition to the symbol, she'd written a short phrase in Norwegian and signed it with what I think is some sort of account username (unless she calls herself/some power "moonielakes" or whatever it was). The bartender, who doesn't speak Norwegian, asked me to translate. "The end holds more than you see", done up very poetically.

The woman then started peppering me with questions about whether I was Norwegian or English or what, and I told her that I'd been born here but grew up in the US. She asked if I was familiar with the sign she'd drawn, and I said no.

Which, apparently, is exactly the kind of shit that's made this whole damn country go down the tubes! People haven't respected the true gods! We're all a goddamn disgrace to our ancestors!

The rest of the evening was interspersed with her spitting insults at me for not knowing the magic truths she was rambling about, yelling at me in some bizarre language (it was not Norse, I can tell you that much. Just sounded like some funky tweaking if Norwegian), and then trying to convert the bartender by showing him her big black book of Snorre, which had completely changed her life.

Then came the whole curse and whatnot.


Also, I showed the symbol to a friend of mine the next day, and she pointed out that this woman's idea of a protective rune was apparently to put an offensive spell of chilling and mental fog on a piece of graph paper.


I'm not sure how good a job she's doing of respecting the old ways, to be honest.

[scriver]

I wonder if she knows Snorre wasn't pagan.

Posers, man. I bet she doesn't even have a single fate tree in her garden.

_{also Big Black Book of Dick lol}

[MaxTheFox]

So a few wankers are claiming that the Brezhnev-era constitution was not actually abandoned and that the Russian government is illegitimate. They say they want to restore the USSR and are handing out citizenships. Honestly, the Putinist government is pretty bad but it's not as bad as the commies.

[Il Palazzo]

big black book of Snorre

I wonder if she knows Snorre wasn't pagan.

Who's Snorre? Ruch? The black metal guy? He wrote a book? (in prison?)
Or is that an alternative/local rendering of Snorri?

So a few wankers are claiming that the Brezhnev-era constitution was not actually abandoned and that the Russian government is illegitimate. They say they want to restore the USSR and are handing out citizenships. Honestly, the Putinist government is pretty bad but it's not as bad as the commies.

Союз нерушимый республик свободных
Сплотила навеки Великая Русь.
Да здравствует созданный волей народов
Единый, могучий Советский Союз!

[scriver]

big black book of Snorre

I wonder if she knows Snorre wasn't pagan.

Who's Snorre? Ruch? The black metal guy? He wrote a book? (in prison?)
Or is that an alternative/local rendering of Snorri?

Yes. In modern Scandovegian tongues its an E in all except Icelandic, I believe (and possibly Elfdalish probably).

Snorre is also slang (not particularly rude) for dick. I don't know the relation.

[Frumple]

*blinks* Wait, big black book of dick? Is that a bible black reference?

[wierd]

Mad cow disease is Creutzfeld-Jacob's disease (CJD) in humans, kuru is a different prion. But don't worry about it, would-be cannibals: it's only transmitted through eating infected human flesh, not human flesh in general. As long as cannibalism isn't common in your society, the prion will be rare in turn.

No, all are the same basic disease, but with different routes of manifestation.  All center around the same protein, PrP.

https://ind.ucsf.edu/research/mad-cow-scrapie-kuru-cjd
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRNP

Kuru is specific to endocannibalism of infected individuals as the route of transmission.
MadCow is specific to the consumption of bovine meat that originated from animals with bovine spongiform encephalopathy.
CJD is an inherited form, caused by a mutation in the gene which increases the incidence rate of misfolding/dysfunction.

The mechanism of the disease process involves the fact that misfolded versions of the protein (the "infectious" form) actively promote the misfolding of additionally produced copies of the protein, which is what leads to the buildup of the protein in cells, and what ultimately causes cell death.

The confusion you have here, is that ANIMAL versions of this gene are different from the human versions, and there is less capability for animal versions of the misfolded protein to influence the folding behaviors of human versions.

See for instance, why it is perfectly OK to eat mutton from a sheep that suffered from scrapie, but not from a cow that suffered bovine spongiform encephalopathy.  (And, since we are talking about madcow-- why cows cannot ingest meat from sheep that suffered from scrapie.)

The route of contamination in the UK madcow epidemic went down like this:

Scrapie infected mutton --> Humans == OK, No problems.
Humans thought, "Safe for us, should be safe for cows too; Inexpensive protein enrichment for cattle feed!"
Scrapie infected mutton --> Cattle --> Humans

Except then the sheep version of misfolded prion protein was sufficiently similar to bovine version, that it caused bovine encephalopathy, and the bovine version of the prion was sufficiently similar to human version that it caused kuru like symptoms, and variant CJD.

Kuru and MadCow are really the same disease (Misfolded human prion protein, from food), but from different initial vectors. (Kuru comes from eating people; MadCow comes from eating beef.)
They are both functionally the same thing as CJD (which is genetically originating.)

[scourge728]

This is as close as I can get to a things that made you annoyed today thread so I put it here: I don't like this push towards web apps instead of websites that various websites such as mega are doing, no random website, I do NOT want to give you permission to store random data on my computer, why would anyone want to do that

[Il Palazzo]

Yes. In modern Scandovegian tongues its an E in all except Icelandic, I believe (and possibly Elfdalish probably).

Wait. So the black book the girl was referring to, the supposed touchstone of Norwegian ancestry, is the Prose Edda? The Icelandic Christian fanfiction?

[Naturegirl1999]

Mad cow disease is Creutzfeld-Jacob's disease (CJD) in humans, kuru is a different prion. But don't worry about it, would-be cannibals: it's only transmitted through eating infected human flesh, not human flesh in general. As long as cannibalism isn't common in your society, the prion will be rare in turn.

No, all are the same basic disease, but with different routes of manifestation.  All center around the same protein, PrP.

https://ind.ucsf.edu/research/mad-cow-scrapie-kuru-cjd
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRNP

Kuru is specific to endocannibalism of infected individuals as the route of transmission.
MadCow is specific to the consumption of bovine meat that originated from animals with bovine spongiform encephalopathy.
CJD is an inherited form, caused by a mutation in the gene which increases the incidence rate of misfolding/dysfunction.

The mechanism of the disease process involves the fact that misfolded versions of the protein (the "infectious" form) actively promote the misfolding of additionally produced copies of the protein, which is what leads to the buildup of the protein in cells, and what ultimately causes cell death.

The confusion you have here, is that ANIMAL versions of this gene are different from the human versions, and there is less capability for animal versions of the misfolded protein to influence the folding behaviors of human versions.

See for instance, why it is perfectly OK to eat mutton from a sheep that suffered from scrapie, but not from a cow that suffered bovine spongiform encephalopathy.  (And, since we are talking about madcow-- why cows cannot ingest meat from sheep that suffered from scrapie.)

The route of contamination in the UK madcow epidemic went down like this:

Scrapie infected mutton --> Humans == OK, No problems.
Humans thought, "Safe for us, should be safe for cows too; Inexpensive protein enrichment for cattle feed!"
Scrapie infected mutton --> Cattle --> Humans

Except then the sheep version of misfolded prion protein was sufficiently similar to bovine version, that it caused bovine encephalopathy, and the bovine version of the prion was sufficiently similar to human version that it caused kuru like symptoms, and variant CJD.

Kuru and MadCow are really the same disease (Misfolded human prion protein, from food), but from different initial vectors. (Kuru comes from eating people; MadCow comes from eating beef.)
They are both functionally the same thing as CJD (which is genetically originating.)

Thank you for the info

[KateyKitsune]

So a few wankers are claiming that the Brezhnev-era constitution was not actually abandoned and that the Russian government is illegitimate. They say they want to restore the USSR and are handing out citizenships. Honestly, the Putinist government is pretty bad but it's not as bad as the commies.

Socialism can work if it's not too authoritarian and/or makes certain compromises