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Author Topic: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O  (Read 7158206 times)

smjjames

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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #147270 on: September 22, 2019, 08:48:38 pm »

B-29 Superfortress: $3,000,000,000 (194X)
Manhattan Project:  $2,000,000,000 (194X)
B-36 Peacemaker (not finished in time for the war, but under development from 1942): Can't find the figures, but costs were slightly higher than the B-29.


For comparison, the $5,000,000,000 cost for just the first two equal around 40,000,000,000 1990 dollars. In 1938, the combined GDP of the entire Axis alliance was 680,000,000 1990 dollars.Germany alone (by far the largest Axis economy) managed to produce 351,000,000 in 1938. Meaning that just the top two US projects comprised more than 10% of Germany's entire prewar economy.

I think you may have added too many zeroes there? Wiki says B-29 is 3 million, not 3 billion. Also, wiki shows B-39 as 4.1 million in 1940's dollars. Your statement of 10% of Germanys pre-war economy also makes more sense if those numbers are millions, not billions.
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« Reply #147271 on: September 22, 2019, 09:46:43 pm »

Read the second paragraph of the B-29 article on Wikipedia (which is the same as I've seen cited in many more reliable sources).


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One of the largest aircraft of World War II, the B-29 had state-of-the-art technology, including a pressurized cabin; dual-wheeled, tricycle landing gear; and an analog computer-controlled fire-control system that allowed one gunner and a fire-control officer to direct four remote machine gun turrets. The $3 billion cost of design and production (equivalent to $42 billion today)ófar exceeding the $1.9 billion cost of the Manhattan Projectómade the B-29 program the most expensive of the war.


The $3 million dollar figure on Wikipedia was the cost to develop the first prototype, which is only a small fraction of the overall cost. If the  B-29 had cost $3,000,000 to develop, it would have been a massive bargain - each Iowa-class battleship cost more than that (Wikipedia says $100,000,000 but that is almost certainly a converted value).


 As for the rest of the figures, I can't find a reference to the 1940s value of economies (every source uses 1990 dollars or a vague "today's money", so I may have made some conversion errors.
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« Reply #147272 on: September 23, 2019, 07:51:48 am »

But the quote says three billion, not three million. I think you misread something.
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« Reply #147273 on: September 23, 2019, 08:09:10 am »

But the quote says three billion, not three million.

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« Reply #147274 on: September 23, 2019, 12:57:16 pm »

But the quote says three billion, not three million. I think you misread something.

There's a bit in the sidebar that says "prototype 3,000,000". Total project cost was the $3,000,000,000 figure I originally quoted, smjjames said that was wrong, quoting Wikipedia as saying 3,000,000. I replied stating that that was probably the prototype cost.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #147275 on: September 23, 2019, 01:15:22 pm »

"The centre has to be at least... three times bigger than that!"
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« Reply #147276 on: September 23, 2019, 01:59:50 pm »

Am I the only one who despises this new playing a game by streaming it concept?

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« Reply #147277 on: September 23, 2019, 02:10:19 pm »

I'm going to go with a combination of Betteridge's law of headlines and "badwrongfun".
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« Reply #147278 on: September 23, 2019, 02:13:30 pm »

That statement says just enough to tell me that I'm being told that you don't agree with me, but not enough to tell me why you don't agree with me

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« Reply #147279 on: September 23, 2019, 02:37:03 pm »

Do you mean

1, Streaming game services a la Google's (or was it Microsoft?)   new launched platform?

2, Playing while streaming the game over say Twitch?

Or 3, Watching somebody else play a game that they stream over say Twitch?
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« Reply #147280 on: September 23, 2019, 03:04:28 pm »

I would suggest the third one.

I generally only watch people play games that a) I am interested in but not enough to buy.

b) I have already played and enjoyed significantly.

c) are competitive multiplayer games in which I have a passing interest.
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« Reply #147281 on: September 23, 2019, 04:06:04 pm »

That... should be the first, tho'. They're trying to break into a platform where you just have like... a browser or something, on your end. Basically just video and some input. And everything else is ran on some server somewhere. Sorta' like the next step from MMOs or whatever, where instead of most or a lot of stuff being ran server side basically gorram everything is and your computer's more or less just a TV screen.

So far as them being the only one to despise it, no. No, they're not the only one to despise it. There's a decent sized group of screeching rage monkeys pissed by it, for reasons varied. Personally kinda' ambivalent -- it's just about guaranteed I'd never personally use such a service, so on that front it's just kinda' 'eh'. If people want to use it then... okay. Somewhat leery about companies taking licencing bullshit to the next logical extreme, though. All the persistence flaws of MMOs, spreading like cancer to everything else. Necessarily online-only is eternally iffy.
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« Reply #147282 on: September 23, 2019, 04:10:54 pm »

I'm worried about it becoming the only option

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« Reply #147283 on: September 23, 2019, 04:16:17 pm »

Yeah, that's fairly unlikely. Only option for specific vendors, maybe -- I could see nintendo or some shit doing away with physical items and anything on the console's HD or somethin' -- but there's pretty much always going to be a market for things that ain't like that, if for no other reason than that huge chunks of the world have spotty internet access. Online only isn't an option for enough folks that providing the option for something else is long going to be on the table.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #147284 on: September 23, 2019, 05:28:01 pm »

Game streaming is honestly a terrible idea.  There'd be considerable lag between input and what's on screen, and I doubt anything beyond turn based would even be playable.
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