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Author Topic: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O  (Read 7537548 times)

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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #152625 on: August 03, 2020, 08:52:58 am »

Child marriage is surprisingly common in the world, and correlates strongly with strongly patriarchal (and culturally archaic) societies.

That is to say, ones that tend to enshrine male dominance over female agency as a cultural staple, to the point of females being considered property or chattels. (A great many forms of wickedness are possible, when one does not consider the recipient(s) as persons. This is an important lesson for current society, vis-a-vis the future evolution of AI, should it ever arrive. Humans will want to cling to the notion that the machines should serve without question, and a great many forms of wickedness will be around. In this case, we get to see the hold-overs from the bronze age cultural heritage of such regions, and how the view of women as non-persons without rights leads to great wickedness, as its parallel.)


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« Reply #152626 on: August 03, 2020, 09:38:42 am »

The rolling balck outs are geting out of hand and more than rage inducing.

We are getting to the point the hours without electricity are almost the same ammount with power. If the trend keeps going then we can expect to soon have a few hours of power every day, or every other day. In fact some regions of the country are already there from some time ago, I live in a industrial city that is also a comerce hub so our suffering has been spared for a long time I guess?

That sucks. I hope things start working out for you.
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« Reply #152627 on: August 03, 2020, 09:49:13 am »

Child marriage is surprisingly common in the world, and correlates strongly with strongly patriarchal (and culturally archaic) societies.

That is to say, ones that tend to enshrine male dominance over female agency as a cultural staple, to the point of females being considered property or chattels. (A great many forms of wickedness are possible, when one does not consider the recipient(s) as persons. This is an important lesson for current society, vis-a-vis the future evolution of AI, should it ever arrive. Humans will want to cling to the notion that the machines should serve without question, and a great many forms of wickedness will be around. In this case, we get to see the hold-overs from the bronze age cultural heritage of such regions, and how the view of women as non-persons without rights leads to great wickedness, as its parallel.)
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« Reply #152628 on: August 03, 2020, 09:50:00 am »

This is a graphic of the current* state of power generation in Venezuela:

For those of you that don't speak "mexican" :P :D the bar a the left represents demand of the region summed up in MW, the one at the right represent the generation capacity of the region (counting importation from other regions) again in total MW, the country here is divided in 8 regions.
At the demand bar (left) on each region the turquoise represent regional generation, the green how much is imported from other regions. The red is how much the region exports, in this case the only one exporting is Guayana because there we have the Guri Damn (Venezuela response to the Hoover Damn).

At the capacity bar (right), the turquoise again represents current generation and the yellow inoperative generation.

I live in the "Centro Occidente" region, which has the higher ratio of demand vs. operative and if you see it's the only region without enough installed capacity.

*It's actually from 6 months ago, probably things are far worst now.
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« Reply #152629 on: August 03, 2020, 03:02:05 pm »

Child marriage is surprisingly common in the world, and correlates strongly with strongly patriarchal (and culturally archaic) societies.

That is to say, ones that tend to enshrine male dominance over female agency as a cultural staple, to the point of females being considered property or chattels. (A great many forms of wickedness are possible, when one does not consider the recipient(s) as persons. This is an important lesson for current society, vis-a-vis the future evolution of AI, should it ever arrive. Humans will want to cling to the notion that the machines should serve without question, and a great many forms of wickedness will be around. In this case, we get to see the hold-overs from the bronze age cultural heritage of such regions, and how the view of women as non-persons without rights leads to great wickedness, as its parallel.)

I'd argue the other way. Those relationships exist in the existing economic framework. As the economy evolves then the tradition of those marriages falls away. The west didn't really have to outlaw such marriages to make them rare, they just became rare. As evidence, look at extremely wealthy Arab states, such as UAE, Kuwait and Qatar: they have a lower overall gender age gap at marriage than the USA does, despite being extremely patriarchal and conservative, while places like Nigeria have a very high gap and a lot of those child marriages.

The economic realities that make such marriages a thing are low life expectancy, the need for large families and the long time required to become financially stable. If you need a big family then you either have more than one wife, or you have a young wife. In such a situation, if a new modern government comes in and does a census and cracks down on any polygamy situations, which may be traditional, then that would in fact push things economically to favoring a young wife, since she can produce enough kids to work the land: and for poor subsistence farmers this is borderline not even a choice. If you don't make the optimal choice, then you basically lose the race and your family farm is lost or absorbed into a different family who did prioritize having more kids. You're being pressured by the grandparents to ensure you pop out at least 12 grandkids, because that will ensure good odds that 1-2 boys will survive to adulthood to carry on the family.

So if you don't want so many child marriages you need to make it so having a lot of kids is no longer a required thing you just have to do to survive. This also explains why it works one way but not the other. If you have a young girl marry an older man, he is at the point of having more economic value during the marriage (skills, strength, acquired resources), while she has a longer period of child-bearing possible. If you reverse that and have a young boy marry an older woman, what are the economic advantages of that, exactly? None, basically, which explains why it isn't a thing in any existing culture. So, that model doesn't actually require any tacit scheming to keep men in power, it's just the economically more sensible arrangement, which is why it became widespread.
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« Reply #152630 on: August 03, 2020, 11:55:15 pm »

I discovered Clickhole videos the other day, and the surrealist postmodern humor was just hilariously funny to me. Atleast for the first few videos I watched. The novelty of the lolrandom scriptwriting wore off real quick, and now my youtube recommendations are flooded with an endless stream of Clickhole videos. Holy shit they made a lot of these things.
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« Reply #152631 on: August 04, 2020, 01:42:20 am »

I discovered Clickhole videos the other day, and the surrealist postmodern humor was just hilariously funny to me. Atleast for the first few videos I watched. The novelty of the lolrandom scriptwriting wore off real quick, and now my youtube recommendations are flooded with an endless stream of Clickhole videos. Holy shit they made a lot of these things.

I watch one of their videos now, behind the scene "facts" about the making of The Terminator. I enjoyed it, felt like a parody of those WatchMojo type of things. do not watch WatchMojo, they're a soulless content mill munching on the carcass of nerd culture. Any of those channels with a million videos like "10 things you didn't know about Mark Hamill's underpants" all suck.

BTW this guy's worth watching, he dissects some of the shittier channels you should avoid, basically because they're giant machines that spew repackaged content they stole from all the small channels, or in some cases stealing whole 'listicle' articles and turning them into a glossy video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dslCEMHU9sU
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #152632 on: August 04, 2020, 04:49:05 am »

If you reverse that and have a young boy marry an older woman, what are the economic advantages of that, exactly? None, basically, which explains why it isn't a thing in any existing culture.
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Also I agree with you, but to add more detail to your point, there are also neat exceptions or examples. Ke jia ren for example used to have very large families whilst passing inheritance down the female line, so even in such examples it still makes sense to have a large family because every helping farm hand is helpful

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« Reply #152633 on: August 04, 2020, 06:33:32 am »

If you reverse that and have a young boy marry an older woman, what are the economic advantages of that, exactly? None, basically, which explains why it isn't a thing in any existing culture.
MATRILINEAL CK2 DRIFTING INTENSIFIES

Also I agree with you, but to add more detail to your point, there are also neat exceptions or examples. Ke jia ren for example used to have very large families whilst passing inheritance down the female line, so even in such examples it still makes sense to have a large family because every helping farm hand is helpful

I think that's kind of orthogonal to what I was talking about. Whether or not inheritance is passed down the female or male line isn't necessarily related to whether it makes sense for men or women to marry younger or older. If a woman wants more kids, she needs to start having them younger, whereas if you bring a man into the family, it still makes sense to bring an older man in as you can be selective and select one with good skills, and like dowries for women the man will still bring his own wealth into the family, even if matriarchal. So it still doesn't make much sense to marry the daughter to a younger man. So, the determining factor for whether you marry an older man to a younger woman is down to the having kids thing, not down to whether things are patriarchal or matriarchal.

The exception of course to every rule is political marriages, and those are not exactly norms, so people who think everyone was getting married at age 7 in the middle ages are actually wrong.
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« Reply #152634 on: August 04, 2020, 03:17:21 pm »

Why is the computer always troubles

I updated a driver and now everything is going crazy

Edit: and blue screen whyyyyyyyyy
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« Reply #152635 on: August 04, 2020, 03:31:28 pm »

Because microsoft talks out both sides of its ass, by demanding signed drivers, while doing absolutely no QA unit testing.

They then double-down with a nice dose of "We don't think you are smart enough to handle what drivers you use by yourself, so we update them without asking behind your back."

That's why.
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« Reply #152636 on: August 04, 2020, 03:47:32 pm »

To be fair, we're totally not smart enough to handle drivers.
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« Reply #152637 on: August 04, 2020, 03:48:21 pm »

I don't know what any of that means and I just want to drink my sloeberry liquor while it works itself out :( :( :(
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« Reply #152638 on: August 04, 2020, 04:08:43 pm »

Ok.

Once upon a time,  there was a thing called the "Microsoft Hardware Quality Lab".

In this magical place, people who worked for microsoft collaborated with hardware makers (and their driver dev teams), to help assure that their hardware and drivers worked as expected with the operating system.  In addition to this, there was an in-house testing and quality assurance group to assure that the operating system *ITSELF* behaved as expected.

Sometime in 2014, those things got cut back very stringently, and eventually vanished completely.


So, what exactly *IS* a signed driver?

Well, in the days of yore-- it meant that the driver had been tested in the Microsoft Hardware Quality Lab, against test samples of the hardware, and that the driver works as expected. To validate that the driver has not been tampered with, a digital signature is calculated against it, and included in a companion .pnf file.  If anything in the driver changes even in the slightest, this signature does not match, and the OS goes "NAUGHTY!" and wont install it.  Under the new paradigm, since THERE IS NO TESTING BEING DONE IN A CONSISTENT OR STRUCTURED MANNER, all it does is assure that the driver has not been tampered with in some fashion.

Now...  Let's say you have a somewhat old nvidia video card.  It is no longer "Officially" supported by the latest driver package. (the nvidia software goes 'no, go F yourself, and buy a newer card!')  However-- the driver *TOTALLY WILL* work with the card, and this new driver enables some new technology that you really want.  If you were savvy, you could drop in the PCI_ID inside the .inf file, and manually install the driver, tell MS to go F itself when it complains about the non-signed driver, and BOOM-- Fancy features activated yo! 

Nowdays?  NO-- YOU ARENT SMART ENOUGH TO DO THAT! WE WILL MANAGE YOUR DRIVERS! WE WILL REINSTALL THE OLD DRIVER ALL THE DAMN TIME, HOW DARE YOU!


Then there's the whole "Whoops, we screwed up and released a buggy version of our driver (which was not caught BECAUSE NO STRUCTURED TESTING) to the signature program, but we released a working one on our support site-- It has not gone through the red tape to get signed yet--- and probably never will, because that's a costly process for us for a product that is halfway through its product lifecycle, and it is more in our financial interests to focus on the new model hardware and its driver."

So, you install the updated driver, and it works fine.  But then-- MS goes "NOOO!! UNSIGNED DRIVER! WE WILL ***FIX*** IT FOR YOU!!"

And then your computer gets the old buggy driver again, and bluescreens happen.



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« Reply #152639 on: August 04, 2020, 04:10:27 pm »

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