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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #152805 on: August 13, 2020, 10:40:40 am »

It's the secret ingredient

Also apparently the fig dissolves and adsorbs the wasp
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« Reply #152806 on: August 13, 2020, 10:46:13 am »

I learned today that all fig fruits have at least one dead wasp inside.


What the fuuuuu
Commercial fig breeds are sterile and need not contain wasps, although, as I understand, wasps are considered beneficial for proper fig development, so, depending on grower, they may.
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« Reply #152807 on: August 13, 2020, 01:18:02 pm »

Just like most guavas will have weevil larvae inside them. If you have eaten guava, you have eaten weevil larvas for sure.
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« Reply #152808 on: August 13, 2020, 02:52:17 pm »

It's all just extra protein.
Its not like any parasites spread to vertebrates by laying eggs in fruit, right?
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« Reply #152809 on: August 13, 2020, 02:59:08 pm »

...Does that mean figs and guavas are non-vegan?
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« Reply #152810 on: August 13, 2020, 03:17:41 pm »

There's real discussion about that apparently, along with other plants which rely on artificially exploiting bees for pollination.  I don't know what the consensus is, but I got the impression that it's acceptable for most.  Though wild native bees have been having trouble for years now, and people are concerned that the use in farming contributes to that.
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« Reply #152811 on: August 13, 2020, 03:19:49 pm »

It's all just extra protein.
Its not like any parasites spread to vertebrates by laying eggs in fruit, right?
There totally are, don't worry. However, I don't think there are any arthropods that do this. Wormy things, though, absolutely yes. Life Finds A Way.
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« Reply #152812 on: August 13, 2020, 03:45:07 pm »

Guava juice is fucktastic delicious, larva or not. However it gives me horrible acid attacks.
 
There's real discussion about that apparently.

Why anybody would care about what vegans thinks?
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« Reply #152813 on: August 13, 2020, 04:04:48 pm »

Well, vegans do.
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« Reply #152814 on: August 13, 2020, 04:06:08 pm »

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« Reply #152815 on: August 13, 2020, 04:26:23 pm »

This probably belongs in the veganism thread--

But here's my unsolicited take anyway.

Getting all worked up into a lather about the evolved mechanisms at play in a natural system is like getting into a lather over the existence of rain.  The fig tree has evolved to exploit a specific species of wasp, because it banging around inside the bell of the flower and being unable to escape, results in a greater propensity of pollen getting put onto its pistil, which increases its reproductive fitness.  Likewise, producing an edible (and tasty) fruit, increases the distance its seeds are carried, thus leveraging additional animal species into its reproductive strategy.  The plant has no nervous system, it is incapable of planning or plotting.  It is the product of biochemical systems slowly changing over time, favoring the retention of systems that are better able to replicate themselves.  The fruit produced by these plants are important food sources for many other species as well.

Getting worked up over this is like getting worked up over plants using the carbon dioxide produced from the action of toxic bacteria, actively killing an animal host.  The plants soaking up the CO2 do not care about where that CO2 came from. The germs killing their host do not care about the longevity of the host.  Likewise, I do not care about the dead wasp. I only care about the fig. The same mechanisms that prompted the fig to develop an unusually shaped flower, will drive the wasp to adapt to not being trapped inside it.


Humans are unique, in that our natural programming gives rise to an unusually interconnected "perceptual landscape", that allows detailed abstractions and predictions about the world, which enables complex voluntary actions to be undertaken that do not have immediate payoffs.  This is not a terribly common adaptation, and of those species that have started undertaking that path, only ours has reached this level of sophistication (that we are aware of.)  Since we are capable of this level of abstraction, but continue to act in very 1-dimensional terms (especially as regards economic policy!), the ethical issue I have is failure to actually BE human, in how we conduct ourselves.  Take for instance, the wasp species in general.  Sure, we could say "It's just terrible that wasps die to make fruit-- Especially since humans artificially amplify the apparent evolutionary fitness of the figs that are killing them!"- The natural outcome there is "We should plant fewer figs"-- but this is not a full understanding of the interconnected nature of things.  Figs (especially those that have been selectively bred) have been adapting to having human assistance, because it is RADICALLY beneficial for them. Humans have adapted to having figs as a food source.  Insects have a very rapid generational turnover, meaning they could potentially evolve very quickly.  Humans and fig trees, not so much.  Rather than assert foolishly that we should stop growing figs (which is harmful not only to us, and the fig trees, but also to the many other lifeforms that have trophic web connections with the fig tree and to humans), but rather to ask how we can offset the difference in mortality rates the wasps suffer from our scaled up, assisted reproduction of the figs.

That is to say, how can we assure that the wasp population is able to not go into decline, and to assist the wasp on its path toward not being extinct in the face of our partnership with the fig trees.  The most obvious, is that we find some clear partnership with the wasps as well, since the wasps are an essential part in the fruit's cultivation.  Working out how to improve fecudnity and general population health of the wasp species, and then enacting that plan, is what needs to be considered. Not getting into a hot lather over fruit.

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« Reply #152816 on: August 13, 2020, 09:41:42 pm »

"We destroyed the bridge to our closest ally to stop the flying lizards from getting here!"

wait what

7th dragon no, you were doing okay up until you decided to burn bridges to "slow down" an army of flight capable monsters

why

That is only acceptable if the immediately showed the dragons just flying over the bridge.

Saw the title too.  Didnt click it though.  Firefox loves spamming the clickbait on the 'blank page' homepage I use.

Try setting it to about:blank and see if that helps.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #152817 on: August 14, 2020, 05:03:48 am »

About wasps: One way would be what I already do. Not slaying wasps unless they are actively harmful. I do not care if a wasp is pollinating some flower or eating a rotting apple outside. If the wasp is inside, or if it forms a nest somewhere, where I need to be working, I will care, but otherwise no.

Another, but this would mean adapting slightly, would be to take the care to transport offending nests, rather than destroying them. Obviously, proper protection would need to be worn for such a job.


My WTF:
Tonight, I had a dream in which I messed up while spreading jam over my bread and clanged my knife on my dish. My dad ordered me not to clang (which he does do in such situations), which angered me and we started arguing.

Then during breakfast, I was reaching for blackberries, I clipped my glass with my elbow and it started toppling onto my lap and then the floor. I reacted with my other hand and deflected it onto the table, but my hand passed through the space my knife was occupying, causing a clanging sound.
My mom complained about having water on her dish (we have a small table), my dad ordered me not to clang. I explained to mum that I had to react to prevent the glass from breaking and complained about dad telling us to not do loud noises when we do them accidentaly. But, having thought about the dream, I went about it more diplomaticaly and there was much less arguing.
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« Reply #152818 on: August 14, 2020, 05:30:50 am »

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« Reply #152819 on: August 14, 2020, 05:33:14 am »

You guys' Firefox clickbait articles suck. I just get neat science stuffs.
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