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« Reply #160515 on: August 06, 2022, 09:57:04 pm »

... snitched on... whoever that is... for doing what?

Bob Odenkirk who is the Saul Goodman actor. He followed the page "perfect_feet_in_sexy_shoes". I saw the Reddit post. Lmao.
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« Reply #160516 on: August 06, 2022, 10:03:04 pm »

It's word endings, actually. It's at least internally consistent, generally.
I get the feeling that "generally" is doing enough lifting one could reasonably confuse it with a very drunk person playing darts :P
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« Reply #160517 on: August 07, 2022, 02:41:08 am »

I'll just say I don't hate mayonnaise, it's just the thought of putting it on noodles sounds nasty.
Very late, but it's ramen so it gets mixed into the water alongside the spices. It's very tasty. Don't knock it till you try it!
Telling me that it's watered down mayonnaise doesn't make it any more appealing, if I ever decide to try something like that I'll drain the water.
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« Reply #160518 on: August 07, 2022, 07:43:15 am »

... snitched on... whoever that is... for doing what?

Bob Odenkirk who is the Saul Goodman actor. He followed the page "perfect_feet_in_sexy_shoes". I saw the Reddit post. Lmao.

Compared to all the other scandals out there, peacefully following a foot fetish page seems honestly kinda wholesome. I haven't seen anything exploitative or disrespectful with the conduct. Let the man have some light in his life :P


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« Reply #160519 on: August 07, 2022, 08:05:12 am »

Dutch is weird like that too.
We still have leftovers of word genders. The word 'het' (=the) is used for words of neutral gender. However, the word 'de' (=the, as well) is used for words that are either feminine or masculine.
To make things extra complicated, we don't have a word like the english has "it's", like in "the bike and it's wheels".
No, we have to somehow magically know whether a word used to be feminine or masculine in a distant past.

Like "de natuur, en haar (=her) schoonheid" (nature, and it's beauty), and "de stoel, en zijn (=his) poten" (the chair and it's legs).
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« Reply #160520 on: August 07, 2022, 10:26:58 am »

I like English here: only pronouns get gender; everything else is neutral. Pretty sure that’s its Germanic roots?

Also its != it’s …

Do other languages have such contractions? I know Spanish does “de el => del”.
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« Reply #160521 on: August 07, 2022, 10:49:33 am »

French does, iirc, though I don't remember what any of them are right now.

... also, english being itself, it's not entirely true that only pronouns get gender. Bachelor, as a common example, is not a pronoun, and also not neutral, and there's a pile of things like it. Pretty sure that when we have suffixes or whatever that indicate it, we steal them from other languages but not always the same language, because of course we do.
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« Reply #160522 on: August 07, 2022, 11:24:16 am »

Czech does not have such contractions.
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« Reply #160523 on: August 07, 2022, 11:29:18 am »

I'll just say I don't hate mayonnaise, it's just the thought of putting it on noodles sounds nasty.
Very late, but it's ramen so it gets mixed into the water alongside the spices. It's very tasty. Don't knock it till you try it!
Telling me that it's watered down mayonnaise doesn't make it any more appealing, if I ever decide to try something like that I'll drain the water.
But the spicy water is tasty! I always slurp it down.
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« Reply #160524 on: August 07, 2022, 01:17:43 pm »

I like English here: only pronouns get gender; everything else is neutral. Pretty sure that’s its Germanic roots?

Also its != it’s …

Do other languages have such contractions? I know Spanish does “de el => del”.

Welsh does. For example,  "Rydw i" is oft contracted to  "Dw i". It means "I am", with the longer form used formally, and shorter one informally. We also dont really use "of", leading to terms like "the middle of town" being contracted to "canol y dre", literally "the town middle ". This can lead to the perception that welsh sentences are very blunt and built of mostly longer words, which is pretty true.

We also have gender for all nouns. Masculine and feminine, no neutral. There is no pattern or rule for gender, so you simply learn it along with a word and its meaning. Though there are groupings - like how all months are masculine, but all rivers are feminine. No idea why! However, you can usually determine the gender of a noun by how a word is spelled (typically its ending, with repeating patterns denoting masculine or feminine). Plurals have no gender. Some words have thier gender changed depending on context.

Oh, and nouns mutate depending on sentence. Take, "cath" (a cat). Add the definitive article to make "the cat" and you get "y gath". Describe it as big (mawr), and the adjective mutates to "y cath fawr". This happens to all nouns with rules dependent on gender and context.

Finally, there are words whose gender is not agreed on. Take "munud", meaning minute. Its gender changes regionally, leading to radically different grammar. Heck, some words with multiple meanings have meaning dependent gender. "Gwaith" is masculine when referring to work, but feminine when referring to time...
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« Reply #160525 on: August 07, 2022, 05:35:04 pm »

I feel there is some confusion about linguial genders, gendered pronouns, and gender-related words here. I will try to explain, to the best of my layman-linguist ability. Bring out your salt-shaker because I am prepared to be mistaken.

First, English. I don't think English has grammatical genders in modern usage. At all. The closest, I think, is the a/an groups. More on this later.

But anyway. What is language genders? They are categories of words which decide how the words are bent. We call them genders because the standard to which all languages are compared to is Latin, and in Latin, words have actual genders. Words are either male or female. They take a word and switch it's gender. For other languages, the usage of "gender" for their word classes was just inherited, just like all other grammar terms were inherited, even when the categories are completely unrelated to genders or sex. So to make it easier to distinguish between this I am going I am going to try to remember to only call gender gender and use the terms "class" or "category" for language genders. Let me know if it gets confusing in spite of my efforts.

Anyway, so take Spanish as a first example, since this is one of the few language I have more than a passing glance into. Spanish inherited the actual-gendered word classes from Latin. They have El/-o and la/-a words, the first being masculine and the latter feminine word class. For example, Hij-o is boy, and Hij-a is girl. Rey is king and Reya is queen. The word remains the same, but a change in proposition and ending changes the word class it belongs too as well as gender it refers too.

Now look at Swedish. Historically speaking, Swedish used to have literal-gender grammar classes (maybe most Indo-European languages did?), the ending -e (or no ending vocal) was masculine and the ending -a was feminine. This still have some effect on modern Swedish in how it does gendered language of say occupations (Singer, for example, is sång-are or sång-erska, and dancer is dans-are or dans-erska) or animals (cat is katt, but female cat is (archaicly) katt-a), but here's the catch -- these, while remaining somewhat in the language, are not the actual word-categories of modern Swedish. Modern Swedish has two word classes, en-words (called "masculine", because Latin-comparison) and et-words (called "feminine", because Latin) -- and these have have nothing to do with genders. These are the categories that determine how to bend words in Swedish, both regarding definite/indefinite articles and which pronouns words get. The words for singer, dancer, and cat above are all six in the same word category, en-words -- unlike in Spanish, changing the gendering of a word between masculine and feminine no longer changes the grammatical class (grammatical "gender") of the word in the Swedish language. But the grammatical classes are still called genders, because, yeah I'm repeating myself, but yeah it's because Latin as standard.

So lastly, let's return to English. English doesn't do gender-endings, you can't change the gender of a child by adding, I dunno, an "-a" to make it a childa instead of a childe or whatever. Bachelor and Bachelorette doesn't count, because they were adopted as gendered words (from French?) and their gendering is not a result of a grammatical function of English itself. English also doesn't have more than word class. I said above that a/an is the closest they have to it above, but despite having different definite articles (which is why I think they're the closest, because of how it relates to the articles in my Swedish first tongue), the words themselves don't actually categorize differently beyond that. At most, you could also stretch it to the "the and thee" variance too, which I think is also related to whether a word begins with a vocal or a consonant, but not universally applied?

Anyway thanks for reading this rant by somebody who has no linguistical background. I'm probably wrong about a bunch of stuff, but I like languages so it was fun writing it out.
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« Reply #160526 on: August 07, 2022, 07:26:56 pm »

The hotel I'm staying at was hosting some pro darts competition, of all things.

I suspect the couple that was staying above me did well.
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« Reply #160527 on: August 08, 2022, 04:18:15 am »

I'll just say I don't hate mayonnaise, it's just the thought of putting it on noodles sounds nasty.
Very late, but it's ramen so it gets mixed into the water alongside the spices. It's very tasty. Don't knock it till you try it!
Telling me that it's watered down mayonnaise doesn't make it any more appealing, if I ever decide to try something like that I'll drain the water.
But the spicy water is tasty! I always slurp it down.
Yeah, but not with mayo.
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« Reply #160528 on: August 11, 2022, 04:26:59 am »

Heatwave is back. Just shy of 29C in my bedroom. Higher than my pets need for their basking spots, so this isn't going to be great for them.

This weather is downright unpleasant for Scotland.
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« Reply #160529 on: August 11, 2022, 04:31:44 am »

I'll just say I don't hate mayonnaise, it's just the thought of putting it on noodles sounds nasty.
Very late, but it's ramen so it gets mixed into the water alongside the spices. It's very tasty. Don't knock it till you try it!
Telling me that it's watered down mayonnaise doesn't make it any more appealing, if I ever decide to try something like that I'll drain the water.
But the spicy water is tasty! I always slurp it down.
Yeah, but not with mayo.
Don't knock it till you try it.
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