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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #53310 on: June 15, 2014, 04:47:33 am »

And it only saves periodically, anyway.
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they wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the raving confessions of a mass murdering cannibal from a recipe to bake a pie.
Knowing Belgium, everyone will vote for themselves out of mistrust for anyone else, and some kind of weird direct democracy coalition will need to be formed from 11 million or so individuals.

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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #53311 on: June 15, 2014, 09:11:08 am »

My only response: Yes.

While there may be technical ways to retrieve various information, they are not normally used. I have had several moron clients get convicted off a facebook post, etc. Protip: if you are in a custody dispute over your kid, never ever post on said kid's facebook wall or whatever, "You'll be better off at so and so's house." Nobody gives a rat's ass what your intent was in posting that, and I especially don't care if you scream at me that it was "private." No. I'm not dealing with other people's thoughts anymore about their stupid posts, because I know through practical experience that they are wrong.

When somebody "quotes" something, it means you can't edit the post they made quoting you and thus you can't easily get rid of it. Moreover, it really sucks when that happens and a thread gets locked, cause now you're double screwed.

I know everybody seems to love this whole "online" social crap, and it's becoming normal. That doesn't mean it's a good idea to have what you say permanently out there. This is yet another reason why IRC chat is usually better in that regard.

If you must quote, then just link to the post, perhaps embedded into text without featuring any of the actual content of the post itself. Example:

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=68850.msg5376351#msg5376351

Or

In response to this:


Now, you may or may not see the difference but trust me, it is there. Now if SealyStar should want to edit his post, they can without my having preserved it forever out of their ability to edit it.

I'm not going to get into the various ways to deal with this stuff, but they exist. We're in a world where big brother is unfortunately real and I'm more practical than paranoid. When you quote content you are not referencing but rather you are etching into stone.... They're gonna make it the new norm so they can more easily monitor you. It doesn't matter how right you are, if you try to stop big brother's bullshit, then they will ruin your life, and literally brand you a traitor. There is a reason for rule 1 and rule 2. Don't talk about it.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #53312 on: June 15, 2014, 09:22:17 am »

During this, my over riding urge has been to quote your argument. I'm not going to...but the urge was very much there :P
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #53313 on: June 15, 2014, 09:33:39 am »

I would say that is definitely paranoid conspiracy level.
It's not like there's anything on the internet that the government doesn't already know about me in an official capacity.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #53314 on: June 15, 2014, 09:41:37 am »

Actually, they don't know all that much about you. I'm pretty sure you're below census age, so  that's even less. They have your name, DOB, sex etc....
They don't have any of your opinions, any of the choices you've made that don't involve state organisations etc...., any moments of stupidity you've had and so on.
In essence, anything that could be used against you. As per Truean's example, once something is quoted it is pretty much forever enshrined without your ability to change it. Workplaces often look at the FB pages of prospective employees, and can see pretty much everything you've ever put there, for example, and affect your entire career. And if any of it has spread from your page, you can't touch it. Not those compromising photos of you drunk that inevitable pop up, nor the in jokes that from outside make you look like a complete dick.
And yeah, then there's officials. Extrapolate for yourself.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #53315 on: June 15, 2014, 09:52:56 am »

It's not necessarily Big Brother (who CAN track you literally anywhere and probably intercepts traffic between IRC servers anyway), it's random people that want to screw over your credibility and the likes.

Offering IRC as an alternative to forums is stupid though. BBS-like systems (BBSs, Usenet, forums, imageboards) are fundamentally different from IM systems, and there are plenty of people that keep logs of the channels they are in. Hell, it's a built-in Hexchat feature (and I use it).
Some people use both bouncers and logging, so they have all the traffic that goes through channels. And it's hard to prevent leaks in a system as distributed as IRC, since there are dozens of servers that could be compromised or hosted by the NSA (not unlikely for the larger networks, and it's even said that the NSA owns many tor exit nodes, since the traffic between exit nodes and webservers is not encrypted, and who else, leaving out the occasional philanthropist, would want to host such high-traffic, high-bandwith servers? )
« Last Edit: June 15, 2014, 09:54:33 am by miauw62 »
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they wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the raving confessions of a mass murdering cannibal from a recipe to bake a pie.
Knowing Belgium, everyone will vote for themselves out of mistrust for anyone else, and some kind of weird direct democracy coalition will need to be formed from 11 million or so individuals.

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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #53316 on: June 15, 2014, 10:03:51 am »

It's... notably harder to get to those logs, though, and average joe asshole is considerably less likely to be able to figure that out than they're able to figure out searching a forum. Not to mention the way IRC aliases work and whatnot makes it a lot easier to say to the average uninformed "That wasn't me" and have it stick. IRC's definitely more secure than forums in regards to the general public just because it's harder to use and has less overall penetration. Lot more folks don't even know wtf IRC is.

Same applies to law, really. NSA or whoever might (probably) have your info, but the local circuit court has a considerably smaller chance of getting to that than they do your facebook bullshit or forum posts. T's got a decent point, for general use.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #53317 on: June 15, 2014, 10:59:32 am »

"Not-quote from that one person who I never saw about traitors and shit"

And yea, then they will fly secret black jets over and divert foreign national's airplanes just to get you too. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/13/cia_rendition_jet_was_waiting_in_europe_to_snatch_snowden/
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #53318 on: June 15, 2014, 11:00:44 am »

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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #53319 on: June 15, 2014, 11:00:54 am »

gwg got full on banned this time.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #53320 on: June 15, 2014, 11:04:40 am »

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« Reply #53321 on: June 15, 2014, 11:05:05 am »

Welp. Kinda saw that coming after he got muted a couple of times.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #53322 on: June 15, 2014, 11:06:19 am »

... Someone beat me to the punch on posting about that here.

EDIT: Checked the members list. He's gone, Iam has the highest post count now.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #53323 on: June 15, 2014, 11:08:31 am »

gwg got full on banned this time.

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« Reply #53324 on: June 15, 2014, 11:11:04 am »

He's still on the stats page though.

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