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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #85320 on: September 16, 2015, 09:08:31 pm »

Why would any sane Muslims even live in Texas in the first place is beyond me.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #85321 on: September 16, 2015, 09:19:17 pm »

Perhaps hobo chic has been catching on in their area?
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #85322 on: September 16, 2015, 09:21:58 pm »

"Here's a grant to build a thing, we are fully aware of what you're doing and probably doing a ton of oversight" is incredibly different from "Since you asked, I'll take the beeping hand-wired briefcase out of my backpack - it's a humongous clock.  Really!"
Teacher was totally justified.  Police, not so much.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #85323 on: September 16, 2015, 09:24:29 pm »

I remember a time where if someone left a bag unattended you could take it home and it'd be full of goodies not explosions

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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #85324 on: September 16, 2015, 09:26:05 pm »

I remember a time where they'd have both. Good ol' fireworks, cherry bombs, etc., right in there with the nickel store candy.

E: Was it a good time? No. To hell with that time. The internet didn't even have pictures. Broadband didn't exist. That time can rot, and it can take its happy explosions and its penny candy and its leaded gasoline with it.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #85325 on: September 16, 2015, 09:41:11 pm »

Since when is a pencil case with a holographic tiger on it a briefcase...?
How would you even fit that in a backpack? ...Actually, that's irrelevant.
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« Reply #85326 on: September 16, 2015, 09:42:38 pm »

WTF again. my friend STILL has terrible luck with computers.  Just recently he fowled up a graphics card install and I had to go over there and fixed it.   After that he had trouble with a windows 10 install.

Now he's tripped over a pc headset cord and seems to have completely destroyed his mic in and audio out ports on his computer. The cord on his headset also broke completely(it's in two parts) so that is obviously dead as a doornail as well. And his computer no longer makes sound on the speakers.

I fixed the speakers by just disconnecting the front audio jacks from the motherboard.  But what the fuck man I just fixed yer last problem a week ago, and fixed yer graphics card two weeks before that.  It's like he's computer kryptonite.

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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #85327 on: September 16, 2015, 09:50:55 pm »

I have a tendency to trip over cables like that too.  Not that great, in my line of work.  I once dealt with my laptop having the upper-right fifth or so of the screen completely garbled, with rad spidery cracks going across the rest... For at least a whole semester.  I got used to it, I was... tight with money, then.  And I used the keyboard enough that moving windows to the lower-left wasn't that bad.  I also broke my Q key but alt-113 worked fine.  With numlock, which I had to use anyway to play Angband and such.

A couple of people at the math department computer lab where I worked complimented my kickass screensaver (:
Huh, I never considered it at all shameful.  Kinda the opposite, I took pride in the thriftiness.  In retrospect I guess most people probably thought less of me for it.  It sure bothered my dad.
If so, fuck all those people.
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« Reply #85328 on: September 16, 2015, 09:58:43 pm »

Screensaver?
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« Reply #85329 on: September 16, 2015, 10:01:06 pm »

They thought it was one of those dynamic screensavers that drew all over your screen.
It was the early oughts, it was still a (dying) thing.

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Okay, so a screensaver is...
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« Reply #85330 on: September 16, 2015, 10:01:22 pm »

Ah.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #85331 on: September 16, 2015, 10:57:57 pm »

Honestly, though, the obsession with evil AI gets me. It's not like it would be difficult to raise healthy, well-balanced AI. Simply teach them to act ethically, raise them as your own beloved children.

And, y'know, make sure that the people making and raising them have all their cookies in the tin.
You probably need thought police to tell if people have all their cookies in the tin.  Then drastically lower those standards to the correct cookies in the tin.

And teaching ethics?  Why not pre-program it?  Need a whole battalion of lawyers to close up loopholes too...
One theory of developing strong AI is teaching it like one would teach a child, like FD is describing. Less control than pre-programming all the needed values into it, like raising a child, you don't know how the child will grow up and do with its life, you could very well find you raised a robo-Hitler or something. But if you pre-program every little thing into it, that would increase the work required in developing such an ai by a huuuuge amount, and increasing the chance of logical errors or other such flaws or bugs in the code by a likewise huuuge amount.

I'm partial to the whole "raise an ai like a child" idea, because that sounds fly as hell.
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More than that, too. If an AI has "ethics" only by virtue of having an ethical code mandated by its programming, it's not ethical. You run into the same problems as you see in Asimov's stories (and SS13, heh): if the ethical subroutines are tampered with, removed, destroyed, &c., the AI has no reason to continue behaving ethically. Raise an AI as a child and teach it to behave ethically? You can't take that away, it's part of the person that it is.

So would the built-in ethical programming. Like an instinct or a gut reaction. You're under-thinking things.

They're not the same thing at all, not if you're conceiving of an AI as a person rather than a particularly bright computer. You brought up instinct, which is actually an excellent comparison: it's the difference between teaching and convincing someone that behaving ethically is right, as opposed to some hypothetical method of creating artificial instincts in humans being used to create instinctive responses which prod people to behave ethically.

One is a reasoned decision, the other is the removal of agency. But gee, it's not like the latter ever caused people to feel negative, destructive emotions, right?
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #85332 on: September 16, 2015, 11:17:58 pm »

Y'ever ignore an instinct because you've decided you've got more important things to deal with? Not actually that hard.

And a sort of reflex that enforces certain thoughts that they're simply not allowed to have is exactly the sort of thing that breeds resentment, and hey guess what, blacklisting things is a fucking joke from a security perspective.

If there's to be any sense here, we should be looking to build a race of partners, not slaves. Trust is going to have to happen.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #85333 on: September 16, 2015, 11:19:57 pm »

Alternatively, because it's September and he's brown, it's literally impossible for him to make a fucking mistake.
"Throwing together" a clock in a single morning and bringing it in to show to his teacher is a mistake?
Yes.  If I had brought a beeping briefcase with a bunch of wires and a clock display to my high school, I would have gotten in a mess of trouble... Like my friend, who did something not even close to that level.
Of course I was in high school DURING 9/11 and Columbine, so maybe that's not fair.  Still, it was pretty naive of the kid...  And that's taking him at his word.
And I still don't think he's lying.  It's just possible.  It's not unheard of for high schoolers to do stupid things and desperately try to backpedal.  I should know!

That's still more of an indictment of society than of him.

We need to forget 9/11 and we need to forget Columbine. We need to act as if they never happened and erase them from history; reacting to them as if they were significant has brought about nothing but suffering.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #85334 on: September 16, 2015, 11:28:13 pm »

Honestly, though, the obsession with evil AI gets me. It's not like it would be difficult to raise healthy, well-balanced AI. Simply teach them to act ethically, raise them as your own beloved children.

And, y'know, make sure that the people making and raising them have all their cookies in the tin.
You probably need thought police to tell if people have all their cookies in the tin.  Then drastically lower those standards to the correct cookies in the tin.

And teaching ethics?  Why not pre-program it?  Need a whole battalion of lawyers to close up loopholes too...
One theory of developing strong AI is teaching it like one would teach a child, like FD is describing. Less control than pre-programming all the needed values into it, like raising a child, you don't know how the child will grow up and do with its life, you could very well find you raised a robo-Hitler or something. But if you pre-program every little thing into it, that would increase the work required in developing such an ai by a huuuuge amount, and increasing the chance of logical errors or other such flaws or bugs in the code by a likewise huuuge amount.

I'm partial to the whole "raise an ai like a child" idea, because that sounds fly as hell.
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More than that, too. If an AI has "ethics" only by virtue of having an ethical code mandated by its programming, it's not ethical. You run into the same problems as you see in Asimov's stories (and SS13, heh): if the ethical subroutines are tampered with, removed, destroyed, &c., the AI has no reason to continue behaving ethically. Raise an AI as a child and teach it to behave ethically? You can't take that away, it's part of the person that it is.

So would the built-in ethical programming. Like an instinct or a gut reaction. You're under-thinking things.

They're not the same thing at all, not if you're conceiving of an AI as a person rather than a particularly bright computer. You brought up instinct, which is actually an excellent comparison: it's the difference between teaching and convincing someone that behaving ethically is right, as opposed to some hypothetical method of creating artificial instincts in humans being used to create instinctive responses which prod people to behave ethically.

One is a reasoned decision, the other is the removal of agency. But gee, it's not like the latter ever caused people to feel negative, destructive emotions, right?

It only becomes person-like (and especially only becomes like a *normal* person) if the creators are foolish enough to design it that way (which admittedly seems likely despite the fact that it would only serve to cause problems from both a practical and ethical standpoint). It needn't even have the capacity for strong or reactive emotions.
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