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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #88215 on: October 28, 2015, 09:48:20 pm »

Isn't it more that they support their right to their own religion and that these are more crazy people who have a religion... then people who have been transformed into crazy people by religion-based radiation?

Especially when America can be so hellbent on demonizing Islam at times. Such as the "Islamic Church near the twin towers" thing that hit the news... Something that should have never made the news, made it because racism.

Wow, it was worse than I thought actually:
http://time.com/3672921/charlie-hebdo-prophet-muhammad-muslim-cartoon-poll/
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Any other religion is fair game, but not this one.  No matter that the magazine satirized Christianity as well.

Islamic Americans were almost entirely against the attacks, of course.  Most Islamic nations officially condemned them too... but in their streets, there were parades.  And in America, and France even, an embarrassing number of liberals chimed in "Well maybe they shouldn't have published that".

That's not "demonizing Islam", that's Islamic extremists being terrifying and effective.  Literally winning.  Actual Islamic Americans don't support this shit, and liberals shouldn't be jumping to defend it either.  Oh sorry, not defending it...  Suggesting that the victims were asking for it.

(And I supported that Mosque in New York, because that wasn't a matter of extremists getting their way.  It's kinda obvious why it was news worthy, though.)
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #88216 on: October 28, 2015, 09:54:56 pm »

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« Reply #88217 on: October 28, 2015, 09:57:32 pm »

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but in their streets, there were parades

Ahhh, now this is something you should check the facts for. Because let me tell you... America has created "Fake Parades" for the news SOO many unbelievable times.

A famous one for example is the taking down of Sudam Husain's Statue was 100% fabricated.

Then again parading because pretty much the large titan of villainy got a bloody nose... Though why would people just suddenly parade either way? I didn't think America has been such a super villain in the middle east before this.
« Last Edit: October 28, 2015, 10:01:14 pm by Neonivek »
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« Reply #88218 on: October 28, 2015, 10:49:30 pm »

Any other religion is fair game, but not this one.  No matter that the magazine satirized Christianity as well.

It isn't about satirizing (though that doesn't help). Islam has a strong tradition of aniconism (something that was also present in Calvinism and Byzantine Iconoclasm), that used to extend to any depiction of a living creature. If you've ever wondered why geometry and calligraphy are so big in medieval Islamic art, it's because in much of the Islamic world (at least early on) depictions of humans and animals weren't acceptable. Strict aniconism is only practiced today by nutty groups like the Taliban, but never has it been acceptable to depict Allah in Islamic art, and only rarely or in Shiite art is the prophet Muhammad commonly depicted (typically with his face obscured).

This actually reminds me of an awesome movie that was made in the '70s about Muhammad and the beginnings of Islam, that never showed him on screen or speaking (the name of it escapes me). I think you see like one shot of his trousers, while he's holding this gnarly sword with two prongs at the end. The people around him speak directly into the camera when talking to him, with no reply, and you hear this recurring music in the background to know he's around.

Point is, there is more to it than being unable to take criticism, since the image itself may be considered a violation, regardless of intent.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #88219 on: October 28, 2015, 10:54:28 pm »

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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #88220 on: October 28, 2015, 10:58:40 pm »

Isn't it more that they support their right to their own religion and that these are more crazy people who have a religion... then people who have been transformed into crazy people by religion-based radiation?

Especially when America can be so hellbent on demonizing Islam at times. Such as the "Islamic Church near the twin towers" thing that hit the news... Something that should have never made the news, made it because racism.

Wow, it was worse than I thought actually:
http://time.com/3672921/charlie-hebdo-prophet-muhammad-muslim-cartoon-poll/
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More than 4 in 10 French people believe Charlie Hebdo shouldn’t publish cartoons depicting the prophet Muhammad, given that many Muslims find the images offensive


I guess Europe really does have an immigration problem
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #88221 on: October 28, 2015, 11:05:48 pm »

Hmmm

Why is the scientific definition of insanity "Doing the same thing twice and expecting a different result" when ALL the scientific method is... is doing it a bazillion times to see if there are different results?

You're confusing scientific definitions with baseless meaningless platitudes
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« Reply #88222 on: October 28, 2015, 11:06:44 pm »

Any other religion is fair game, but not this one.  No matter that the magazine satirized Christianity as well.

It isn't about satirizing (though that doesn't help). Islam has a strong tradition of aniconism (something that was also present in Calvinism and Byzantine Iconoclasm), that used to extend to any depiction of a living creature. If you've ever wondered why geometry and calligraphy are so big in medieval Islamic art, it's because in much of the Islamic world (at least early on) depictions of humans and animals weren't acceptable. Strict aniconism is only practiced today by nutty groups like the Taliban, but never has it been acceptable to depict Allah in Islamic art, and only rarely or in Shiite art is the prophet Muhammad commonly depicted (typically with his face obscured).

This actually reminds me of an awesome movie that was made in the '70s about Muhammad and the beginnings of Islam, that never showed him on screen or speaking (the name of it escapes me). I think you see like one shot of his trousers, while he's holding this gnarly sword with two prongs at the end. The people around him speak directly into the camera when talking to him, with no reply, and you hear this recurring music in the background to know he's around.

Point is, there is more to it than being unable to take criticism, since the image itself may be considered a violation, regardless of intent.
Oh huh, I never knew about the aniconism tradition.  I knew they were against depictions of Muhammad, to avoid idolatry, in a way similar to Iconoclasm...  Didn't know that was (or evolved into?) a general tradition of avoiding depicting people.  Neat!

And that movie sounds interesting from a cinematography point of view.  Makes sense.  Probably this one I think:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Message_%281976_film%29
(Google sent me to the more general https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_in_film)

Anyway...  You're right that it isn't about criticism per se.  But it's not really better than that, and it's a rule that extremists are enforcing on people across the globe.  They're enforcing it on others, non-Muslims, in contradiction of our own traditions (freedom of speech... and icons all over the place).

It's not something to judge every Muslim by, particularly when they're denouncing the attacks.  But huge groups of people *supported* the attacks, and that should be recognized as a problem.

And liberals shouldn't blame the victims in a reflexive perversion of multiculturalism, basically.  Charlie Hebdo did nothing wrong.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #88223 on: October 28, 2015, 11:17:45 pm »

Any other religion is fair game, but not this one.  No matter that the magazine satirized Christianity as well.

It isn't about satirizing (though that doesn't help). Islam has a strong tradition of aniconism (something that was also present in Calvinism and Byzantine Iconoclasm), that used to extend to any depiction of a living creature. If you've ever wondered why geometry and calligraphy are so big in medieval Islamic art, it's because in much of the Islamic world (at least early on) depictions of humans and animals weren't acceptable. Strict aniconism is only practiced today by nutty groups like the Taliban, but never has it been acceptable to depict Allah in Islamic art, and only rarely or in Shiite art is the prophet Muhammad commonly depicted (typically with his face obscured).

This actually reminds me of an awesome movie that was made in the '70s about Muhammad and the beginnings of Islam, that never showed him on screen or speaking (the name of it escapes me). I think you see like one shot of his trousers, while he's holding this gnarly sword with two prongs at the end. The people around him speak directly into the camera when talking to him, with no reply, and you hear this recurring music in the background to know he's around.

Point is, there is more to it than being unable to take criticism, since the image itself may be considered a violation, regardless of intent.
Oh huh, I never knew about the aniconism tradition.  I knew they were against depictions of Muhammad, to avoid idolatry, in a way similar to Iconoclasm...  Didn't know that was (or evolved into?) a general tradition of avoiding depicting people.
Well, like just about everything that dates back to before the 1700's or so it's utterly utterly stupid and therefore rightly ignored by most. people.
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« Reply #88224 on: October 29, 2015, 12:07:11 am »

And that movie sounds interesting from a cinematography point of view.  Makes sense.  Probably this one I think:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Message_%281976_film%29
(Google sent me to the more general https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_in_film)

That's the one. And I guess it's Ali's trousers and sword. Interesting movie, worth a watch.

Personally I agree that being able to freely criticize aspects of a religion is important and extremists should not have their views enforced on others, but cartoons typically aren't a particularly sensitive or respectful way to do that criticism, even without the double whammy of the depiction itself being intrinsically offensive. I'm reminded of old cartoons of the pope, and other protestant/catholic cartoons. Free speech is restricted in most places against inciting hatred, and while the cartoons in that french magazine weren't Der Stürmer levels of offensive, I think the reaction does prove that they have that effect. The violence in response isn't justified, but I think the anger was.
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« Reply #88225 on: October 29, 2015, 03:33:44 am »

Ohhh gawd the Full License Driving Test... To give everyone an idea of what it is like

Imagine there was a test with 100 questions and you had to get 80% of them correct.
-Now there are also 20 questions on that test that if you get wrong you instantly fail
-While your taking the test the teacher will sometimes yell out "THINK FAST! What is the answer to the question on the board" and if you do not answer in 5 seconds you fail.
-All while your teacher sits beside you glaring at you and telling you how much you suck.

I've had brutal tests before but none were so... unpleasant.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #88226 on: October 29, 2015, 03:47:38 am »

Ahahahahah. In NZ the full license test is basically just "drive around these backstreets for ten minutes without killing anyone and you can pass".
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« Reply #88227 on: October 29, 2015, 04:01:58 am »

Here in india it's "Start the car, drive 10 meters, bring it to a stop"

The more advanced tests may even ask you to make a turn.
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« Reply #88228 on: October 29, 2015, 04:31:02 am »

Had to install Kali 2.0 since the Kali 1 repos are dead/dying apparently. I am disappoint.

Well, Kali is the goddess of death, so...
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #88229 on: October 29, 2015, 05:02:08 am »

Ohhh gawd the Full License Driving Test... To give everyone an idea of what it is like

Imagine there was a test with 100 questions and you had to get 80% of them correct.
-Now there are also 20 questions on that test that if you get wrong you instantly fail
-While your taking the test the teacher will sometimes yell out "THINK FAST! What is the answer to the question on the board" and if you do not answer in 5 seconds you fail.
-All while your teacher sits beside you glaring at you and telling you how much you suck.

I've had brutal tests before but none were so... unpleasant.
That seems... needlessly sadistic.

Well, like just about everything that dates back to before the 1700's or so it's utterly utterly stupid and therefore rightly ignored by most. people.
No. Just... no. Seriously, no.

If I had the time I'd type out a wall of text about this, but a test awaits me.
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