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Author Topic: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O  (Read 7148992 times)

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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #133470 on: May 09, 2018, 09:42:53 pm »

Used to homegrow teeny strawberries.
Definitely sweeter than supermarket ones, but that also means very tart, so I still prefer the big and flavourless variety.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #133471 on: May 09, 2018, 10:51:45 pm »

The only complaints about The Last Jedi that I've heard are based more generally on the aspect of it being shit.

Ghostbusters I've definitely heard a lot of politalk about. Haven't seen it myself to personally say how preachy it was or wasn't.

I cant recall how bad the preachiness was in Ghostbusters, but it was still unfunny and unenertaining.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #133472 on: May 09, 2018, 10:57:04 pm »

The big problem with the-movie-that-must-not-be-named isn't the quality of the film itself (which is very, very low), but the fact that any criticism of it was folded into the semi-genuine (the backlash was real, but it is unclear how much of it was trolling) misogynistic backlash - even fairly mild "I know you're waiting for a review of this, but I have no confidence in the film based on the trailer. Because of this, I have no intention of seeing it" types got treated like the worst "how dare that cow get a movie with those hags!" comments.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #133473 on: May 09, 2018, 11:02:33 pm »

(Is reminded of the first obama election. Was routinely painted with the "YOU FILTHY RACIST! HOW DARE YOU!!" brush, for suggesting that Obama was not an ideal candidate on his merits, and that too much hoopla was being made about his being black. (IMHO, the race of the candidate is immaterial. You elect a leader for their leadership skills and decision making ability, not what their light absorption spectra are.) The "YOU DARE DISAGREE!!? YOU MUST BE %HATED_DEMOGRAPHIC%!!" thing gets old pretty damn fast, but it is the immediate fallback of the very vocal social justice demographic. The lack of introspection, lack of criticality in evaluating a dissenting opinion, and the broad brush strokes used, makes me not want to consider them credible to blow their own noses, let alone dictate how I should live my life. Just saying.)
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #133474 on: May 10, 2018, 12:44:54 am »

Reelya, you should actually read the articles you cite as proof that the media is out to get you. Both of the articles you linked very explicitly say "nazis hate the film", not "everyone who hates the film is a nazi".
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That isn't to say that all objections to The Last Jedi — or The Force Awakens, which introduced the new cast — are rooted in far-right ideology or hatred. For some, the story simply didn't conform to what they had imagined; fans have had over 30 years to dream up what Luke Skywalker did after Return of the Jedi, and there were plenty of now-discarded novels, comics, and video games that offered more rousing heroics than his self-imposed exile on a forgotten island. Those dissatisfied on this count are sometimes rigid nostalgists, and that doesn't connote hatred, even if it is yearning for a past that was less equal.
That's an excerpt from the first. And I'd reject your interpretation of the second, emphasis mine:
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Of course, the alt-right sees all of this as an attack on white males, and is now claiming responsibility for the low audience score the film currently has on Rotten Tomatoes (it has a very high critics score, however)
That, by itself, suggests he doesn't think they're wholly responsible, but if you follow the link he provides for this, you'll see it's a HuffPo article detailing both sides of the issue, itself explicitly stating that not all TLJ haters are alt-right.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #133475 on: May 10, 2018, 01:45:42 am »

The nature of the article and the disclaimer suggests that most haters are alt right. AKA with that sort of disclaimer they are begging the question



I think it was a lousy wreck of a movie myself, from beginning to end. Rey is a rather bidimensional main character, but she's not the worst in this fest, IMO. The sheer ridiculousness of the two surviving main villains is much more worrying
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« Reply #133476 on: May 10, 2018, 02:08:13 am »

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I think it was a lousy wreck of a movie myself, from beginning to end.

Yeah, the backlash against the backlash tends to miss that most of the criticism is over structural issues not "there are girls in it" or "it's not the Star Wars I remember", and the articles are trying to pigeonhole it into those two exact things.

by far the most common complaints are that the movie jump-cuts around too much (three different plots going on at once), that it doesn't resolve plot points brought up in the new trilogy itself, that Rey doesn't get enough development as a character, and that the whole casino arc is just awfully shoe-horned in and doesn't fit the setting. In fact, the biggest complaint is that there are too many rehashes of old Star Wars plot points and set pieces, but they're done in a way that doesn't propel the plot.

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Both of the articles you linked very explicitly say "nazis hate the film", not "everyone who hates the film is a nazi".

i think that's a rather weak defense there Tawa. It's common for people to associate things in the same way e.g. constantly using phrases like "islamic terrorists" and "all terrorists are muslims" could be defended using the same logic you're using here. It doesn't work like that Tawa. When someone says "all Nazis do X" they're very heavily - and deliberately implying "people who do X are Nazis" in most people's minds.  Saying that they're not doing that is no better than being an apologist for Muslim haters who sneakily imply that all Muslims are terrorists in similar ways.

And think about this from a tactical point of view - why the article even exists - the point of the article isn't to smear Nazis as Star Wars haters, because Nazis don't need to be smeared in that way (are you going to think less of Nazis than you do now, because they don't like Star Wars?) it's deliberately designed to smear TLJ haters as Nazis. That's the goal of the entire article.

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Of course, the alt-right sees all of this as an attack on white males, and is now claiming responsibility for the low audience score the film currently has on Rotten Tomatoes (it has a very high critics score, however)

You might have mis-interpreted this Tawa, since the article isn't saying the low scores aren't because of alt-right/Nazis. It just says the alt-right claims credit for the low scores, then immediately notes that critics give TLJ very high scores. So what is that saying, decoded: "Nazis claim they were responsible for giving it low scores, and look, these other people - who aren't Nazis - gave it high scores". That's not disputing the claim, the additional point about the critic's scores was to add credence to the claim that the alt-right/Nazis were in fact responsible for the low scores. e.g. the aspersion here is that low score = Nazi and that's contrasted with high score = Non-Nazi.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #133477 on: May 10, 2018, 02:12:00 am »

I do wonder if TLJ is gonna get vindicated by history over the next two decades or so once the weirdness dies down and we get a third film to put it all into context. After all, The Empire Strikes Back wasn't quite as well regarded when it came out.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #133478 on: May 10, 2018, 02:12:27 am »

I take it back, this would be more fun if it were about the dress.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #133479 on: May 10, 2018, 02:42:09 am »

I take it back, this would be more fun if it were about the dress.

As you wish

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« Reply #133480 on: May 10, 2018, 03:06:49 am »

Meaty sleeve. Kinda shoddy to be honest, but it's good for some things.
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« Reply #133481 on: May 10, 2018, 05:11:18 am »

I do wonder if TLJ is gonna get vindicated by history over the next two decades or so once the weirdness dies down and we get a third film to put it all into context. After all, The Empire Strikes Back wasn't quite as well regarded when it came out.

I hope so. I think it's a great movie.
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« Reply #133482 on: May 10, 2018, 07:35:57 am »

I hope not because it sucked and if it succeed Star Wars will stick with writing scripts manatee style

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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #133483 on: May 10, 2018, 09:35:03 am »

I do wonder if TLJ is gonna get vindicated by history over the next two decades or so once the weirdness dies down and we get a third film to put it all into context. After all, The Empire Strikes Back wasn't quite as well regarded when it came out.

If I remember correctly, the director or writer for TLJ admitted that they were pretty much winging things and there was no big, overarching plan they were supposed to follow. So the third film isn't going to provide context so much as excuses, since it doesn't have a coherent, overarching plotline to follow but has to make something up itself.

Also I feel that even after the weirdness dies down, TLJ isn't going to be completely vindicated. Some of its issues are structural/fundamental, like how you can chop out several good chunks of the movie and miss nothing or how part of the plot is caused by that purple-haired Admiral appearing incompetent/useless when she has no reason to seem that way. The kind of stuff that can't be papered over by another movie.

Mind you, I'm still hoping that Episode 9 has sassy force ghost Luke talking/interacting with Kylo Ren. Atoning for his mistakes and trying to help his wayward apprentice and the like. It is probably highly unlikely to occur but still.
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« Reply #133484 on: May 10, 2018, 10:27:37 am »

The nature of the article and the disclaimer suggests that most haters are alt right. AKA with that sort of disclaimer they are begging the question
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We need to stop right here. There's a bit too much of a disconnect between reality and fantasy. It's actually worrying.

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If bot accounts did indeed attack the “Last Jedi” ratings, it’s unknown what impact, if any, they actually had on the overall audience score. Not everyone who rated the movie poorly is an anti-feminist fanatic, of course. Either way, Rotten Tomatoes is dubious about Down With Disney’s claims.

The rest of the article (more than half) goes on to discuss how every ratings site mentioned sees no evidence of bot use.

In fact, the title of the article is "The alt-right claims credit for Last Jedi" backlash. Notice that it doesn't say, "is responsible for", it says claims. Because half the evidence it shows suggests that the alt-right group it contacted were either lying or ineffective. I'm starting to think you haven't even skimmed the piece, but that just makes your problems with it even more concerning. You object to the "nature of the article" (reporting on something you'd rather hadn't come up?) and the disclaimed that explicitly denied that there was any certainty the alt-right were even involved. So someone even considering the possibility that the alt-right weren't fibbing isn't ok? I don't suppose you'd be okay with an article that didn't "beg the question" or explicitly say that the alt-right claims might be false either.

 As far as I can tell, the only article on this subject you'd accept would be one that didn't exist. And if you can't stomach huffpost articles that work from facts and have qualified and uncertain conclusions, you really shouldn't be exposed to the rest of the internet.

Hate to say it, but somebody has a persecution complex here. Disliked the film myself, and it seems like the general public shared my opinion, but that doesn't mean I object to factual articles.
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